Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[ULF_55]

Marner is the only one that needs to go for the DNA to change? You're getting rid of a core piece, that's the DNA change. At least this way, if you do trade Nylander and resign Marner, you're not letting go a 95-100 point winger for free.

Toronto botched this entire situation by not trading him 2 years ago, at the very least they can salvage some of it by getting players/assets back for Nylander.

Of course NMC.

Trade Rielly, Nylander and Matthews see if you can draft a couple in the Top 3 of this year's draft.

Let marner walk.

Blow up the DNA.
Get rid of the stench.

 

[SprDaVE]

This is pretty much I think the play, if Toronto wanted to salvage some assets from this "DNA change". Trade Nylander and resign Marner.

Last year? Sure. This is the path the Leafs took though, way too late for that. One wants to here, the other wants a bidding war and/or get away from his hometown. C'est la vie.

 

[ULF_55]

Agreed. How do you let a 100 point 20 something player walk for nothing???

It's in the CBA.

This is completely on marner.

 

[SprDaVE]

How much money do we save if we waive/buyout both Jarnkrok and Kampf

Jarnkrok you save 500k. Kampf is 716k savings and dead cap space for 4 years. If you waive, you save up to the league min, so a little better. If Treliving can't dump either to do what he has to do, we're in trouble with our GM.

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[stickty111]

Marner is the only one that needs to go for the DNA to change? You're getting rid of a core piece, that's the DNA change. At least this way, if you do trade Nylander and resign Marner, you're not letting go a 95-100 point winger for free.

Toronto botched this entire situation by not trading him 2 years ago, at the very least they can salvage some of it by getting players/assets back for Nylander.

Why resign a player who doesn't want to be here and trade the player who is willing to stay and already on a contract?

 

[SprDaVE]

I can see McMann being added to either Cowan or Danford for that type of trade, especially if the team wants to bring in their 2C that way..there's also Florida's 2nd round pick that may get thrown in the trade mix

I think there's an exaggeration on centers being the all end be all of forwards. It's good to have, no doubt, but you have also need depth and good effiency.

If you remove McMann and Cowan in a deal, it better be a terrific center that is here for a long time. Not sure I'd gut more of the cheap effective immediate depth otherwise.

I think JT as the 2nd line center and you're more than fine, anything more than that and it's gravy. I hope Treliving can prove me wrong and pull off a couple good trades.

 

[ULF_55]

I think there's an exaggeration on centers being the all end be all of forwards. It's good to have, no doubt, but you have also need depth and good effiency.

If you remove McMann and Cowan in a deal, it better be a terrific center that is here for a long time. Not sure I'd gut more of the cheap effective immediate depth otherwise.

I think JT as the 2nd line center and you're more than fine, anything more than that and it's gravy. I hope Treliving can prove me wrong and pull off a couple good trades.

You want strength up the middle, but you still need wingers that can keep up, even produce on their own. Pastrnak doesn't seem to have an issue in Boston playing without a 1st. line center.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Torontonian]

Of course NMC.

Trade Rielly, Nylander and Matthews see if you can draft a couple in the Top 3 of this year's draft.

Let marner walk.

Blow up the DNA.
Get rid of the stench.

9x in a row in the playoffs, 4th overall this past season.. Teams don't blow it up like that, unrealistic thinking. Make a big move, yes. Trading everyone and rebuilding after all that, I don't think so.

Last year? Sure. This is the path the Leafs took though, way too late for that. One wants to here, the other wants a bidding war and/or get away from his hometown. C'est la vie.

They pretty much were caught with their pants down due to Shanahan, unwilling to move Marner, when they could have.

I wouldn't say Marner doesn't want to be here, truthfully we don't know anything. Could be like a Stamkos situation, test the waters and see what's there. If he doesn't like it, just stays here.

Why resign a player who doesn't want to be here and trade the player who is willing to stay and already on a contract?

Like I said in the post above, I wouldn't say it's fair to say he doesn't want to be here, if you got options, why not hear them first, Stamkos did and didn't like what he heard and went back to Tampa.

The only reason why I'd advocate trading Nylander and potentially signing Marner is because of how badly they botched the situation.

It's nice Nylander wants to be here, but he's also been apart of the problem the past 9 years. My only reasoning for it is because at least if they went that route, they could recoup assets instead of letting elite talent walk for nothing.

 

[thusk]

I think there's an exaggeration on centers being the all end be all of forwards. It's good to have, no doubt, but you have also need depth and good effiency.

If you remove McMann and Cowan in a deal, it better be a terrific center that is here for a long time. Not sure I'd gut more of the cheap effective immediate depth otherwise.

I think JT as the 2nd line center and you're more than fine, anything more than that and it's gravy. I hope Treliving can prove me wrong and pull off a couple good trades.

Jt and nylander had been together for several years with a lot of up and down and like Marner/Matthews, its maybe time to try something else. I didn't talk aboit not resigning JT if hes agree to sign at decent price but try something else

it's exactly why i suggewt Dvorak. Ibreally liked his end of the seqson and was probably habs best foward... Not a spectacular player but he's a hard worker and a player who gonna give you everything he have. He pretty solid defensively so will be less at risk in their own zone than with JT, going in dirty area and always around the net. Hes not as good offensively for sure but i don't really think Nylander really need it.

and you got JT on a 3rd line to help Cowan to develop into a complete NHL player and that giving you a 3rd line able to face and play even vs the lundell line

It's time to build the depht and not put all thr eggs again on the same 3-4 same player in the top 6 every years and hope different result.

 

[stickty111]

9x in a row in the playoffs, 4th overall this past season.. Teams don't blow it up like that, unrealistic thinking. Make a big move, yes. Trading everyone and rebuilding after all that, I don't think so.


They pretty much were caught with their pants down due to Shanahan, unwilling to move Marner, when they could have.

I wouldn't say Marner doesn't want to be here, truthfully we don't know anything. Could be like a Stamkos situation, test the waters and see what's there. If he doesn't like it, just stays here.


Like I said in the post above, I wouldn't say it's fair to say he doesn't want to be here, if you got options, why not hear them first, Stamkos did and didn't like what he heard and went back to Tampa.

The only reason why I'd advocate trading Nylander and potentially signing Marner is because of how badly they botched the situation.

It's nice Nylander wants to be here, but he's also been apart of the problem the past 9 years. My only reasoning for it is because at least if they went that route, they could recoup assets instead of letting elite talent walk for nothing.

I rather just keep the player who is already signed, and will be signed for a lower number than Marner will sign for.
They messed up the situation, but thats what they have done, and trading Nylander just to fix the situation doesn't make sense. The chances of that happening is close to zero

 

[ULF_55]

Jt and nylander had been together for several years with a lot of up and down and like Marner/Matthews, its maybe time to try something else. I didn't talk aboit not resigning JT if hes agree to sign at decent price but try something else

it's exactly why i suggewt Dvorak. Ibreally liked his end of the seqson and was probably habs best foward... Not a spectacular player but he's a hard worker and a player who gonna give you everything he have. He pretty solid defensively so will be less at risk in their own zone than with JT, going in dirty area and always around the net. Hes not as good offensively for sure but i don't really think Nylander really need it.

and you got JT on a 3rd line to help Cowan to develop into a complete NHL player and that giving you a 3rd line able to face and play even vs the lundell line

It's time to build the depht and not put all thr eggs again on the same 3-4 same player in the top 6 every years and hope different result.

I think the Cap would work on this:

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Granlund - Duchene - Nylander
Tavares - Dvorak - Cowan
McMann - Laughton - Holmberg

Granlund & Dvorak PK

 

[Leafs87]

I think the Cap would work on this:

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Granlund - Duchene - Nylander
Tavares - Dvorak - Cowan
McMann - Laughton - Holmberg

Granlund & Dvorak PK

Awful. Also 1 right shooting forward is definitely a choice

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think the Cap would work on this:

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Granlund - Duchene - Nylander
Tavares - Dvorak - Cowan
McMann - Laughton - Holmberg

Granlund & Dvorak PK

Not terrible lineup although I have never been a Dvorak guy.

 

[Dreakmur]

I think the Cap would work on this:

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Granlund - Duchene - Nylander
Tavares - Dvorak - Cowan
McMann - Laughton - Holmberg

Granlund & Dvorak PK

Granlund is going to get center money, so using him on the wing would be an overpay.

 

[thusk]

I think the Cap would work on this:

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Granlund - Duchene - Nylander
Tavares - Dvorak - Cowan
McMann - Laughton - Holmberg

Granlund & Dvorak PK

I don't see where that would make a harder team to play against

Will be hard to beat florida team with a 100% peripheric line

Personally i don't see any good fit with any of duchene/Granlund with Nylander

 

[ACC1224]

I don't see where that would make a harder team to play against

Will be hard to beat florida team with a 100% peripheric line

Personally i don't see any good fit with any of duchene/Granlund with Nylander

You have to admire Duchenes consistency in the playoffs. 6 points in 3 rounds each of the past two years. Sounds like the missing piece here.

 

[Dreakmur]

I rather just keep the player who is already signed, and will be signed for a lower number than Marner will sign for.
They messed up the situation, but thats what they have done, and trading Nylander just to fix the situation doesn't make sense. The chances of that happening is close to zero

I have long maintained that the team cannot win with both Marner and Nylander, and that if given the choice they should keep Marner.

I still believe that Marner is the better player, but I’m not sure I would still keep him over Nylander. With all the crap that’s gone on over the years, it’s not a leap to think Marner may be the driving force behind our team culture problems. There is far too much smoke to believe there isn’t a real fire…

 

[Dreakmur]

I don't see where that would make a harder team to play against

Will be hard to beat florida team with a 100% peripheric line

Personally i don't see any good fit with any of duchene/Granlund with Nylander

Let’s do hard to play against…

Matthew Knies-Auston Matthews-Max Domi
Chris Kreider-JG Pageau-William Nylander
Brad Marchand-Ross Colton-Connor Brown
Tanner Jeannot-Scott Laughton-Brandon Tanev

 

[The Shadow]

This will be one of the most interesting off seasons for the leafs in a long while

I was very happy with what he did with the goalie/defense last summer with a small cap space to work with

This summer he has $ and I think it’s going to look good on paper. Then it’s up to the guys on the ice to make it happen

But with good goaltending and team defense they should be good enough to make the playoffs

I also can’t wait to see a leaf team without Marner.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

If we put together the players that have been tied to us through rumour, past trade target, social media, or insider speculation, we have:

Marchand
B. Tanev
W. Karlsson
Ristolainen
Bennett

Anyone else?

Often these type of rumours come to fruition.

 

[Americanadian]

Let’s do hard to play against…

Matthew Knies-Auston Matthews-Max Domi
Chris Kreider-JG Pageau-William Nylander
Brad Marchand-Ross Colton-Connor Brown
Tanner Jeannot-Scott Laughton-Brandon Tanev

This team genuinely is a bubble playoff team if Stolarz isn't the best goalie in the league next season. This roster is probably over the cap as well.

Marchand - 8M (rumoured)
Tanev - 2.2M (projected)
Jeannot - 2.5M (rumoured)
Brown - 2.7M (projected)

That would leave 2.65M to re-sign Knies after dumping Kampf&Jarnkrok. This is with a 20-man roster.

 

[Dreakmur]

This team genuinely is a bubble playoff team if Stolarz isn't the best goalie in the league next season. This roster is probably over the cap as well.

Even if Kreider is just a 20 goal scorer, that’s the best pre-deadline forward group the team has iced in the Matthews era.

Marchand - 8M (rumoured)
Tanev - 2.2M (projected)
Jeannot - 2.5M (rumoured)
Brown - 2.7M (projected)

That would leave 2.65M to re-sign Knies after dumping Kampf&Jarnkrok. This is with a 20-man roster.

I did 6.67 x 3 for Marchand
2.25 x 4 for Tanev
2.25 x 2 for Jeannot
2.5 x 3 for Brown

I then bridges Knies at 4.0 x 2.

 

[Tony Romo]

Let’s do hard to play against…

Matthew Knies-Auston Matthews-Max Domi
Chris Kreider-JG Pageau-William Nylander
Brad Marchand-Ross Colton-Connor Brown
Tanner Jeannot-Scott Laughton-Brandon Tanev

No notes, love it. Only thing I'd argue is maybe Tavares over Colton depending on his ask. Just becuase if Matthews goes down, I'd trust Tavares to step in at 1C over Colton. This would probably be the best forward group we've iced in the Matthews era.

We have 2Cs in Laughton and Pageau who can play the PK. Which means Matthews can rest there. Knies, Brown, Marchand and I assume Tanev and Jeannot can all play the PK. So we could rest Knies as well and have him focus on offence.

 

[Americanadian]

Even if Kreider is just a 20 goal scorer, that’s the best pre-deadline forward group the team has iced in the Matthews era.

I couldn't disagree more.

Your 2+3 centers, neither of them are strong defensively at this point in their career, combined for the same P/GP as Tavares last season. If Matthews goes down you have a top line of Knies-Domi-Brown.

Your 1+3 RW combined for 34 goals over the last 2 seasons.

Then you're hoping that Marchand can carry your 3rd line for a whole season. He spent 370 minutes playing with Coyle last season at 5v5 which is a fair offensive comparison for Colton. Their line scored 12 goals in 370 minutes (15 against).

That just isn't a recipe for a succesful regular season which is why I believe this roster would be on the playoff bubble.

I did 6.67 x 3 for Marchand
2.25 x 4 for Tanev
2.25 x 2 for Jeannot
2.5 x 3 for Brown

I then bridges Knies at 4.0 x 2.

The UFAs seem reasonable but I will be shocked if Knies takes 4M on a bridge. I see 6M as the floor for him on a bridge.