Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[WillNy29]

Also another thing that's annoying about Matthews being attached to Marner, Johnsson-Matthews-Kapanen was a good line as well

matthews scored 5 goals in 7 games in a playoff series with that line. I'd be very interested to see Matthews stats away from Marner in the playoffs by series to truly judge. Going off of memory even in the Boston series the games matthews was healthy that Bert-Matthews-Domi line was lights out and I believe against Tampa (second time around) when he was probably the best player in the series I believe he was playing with someone else (I believe ROR-Tavares-Marner was a line in that series)

 

[thusk]

Why are posters above slotting in Dvorak as the 2C? He's absolutely terrible.

This past season Tavares outscored Dvorak if you add up his last 3 seasons combined, but let's post fantasy lineups with him at 2C and Tavares as the 3C, lol.

You want player to have succes in regular season or player who can make thing happen in playoff? and you need to be realistic, from free agency option to be good complement to nylander are extremely limited. Bennett and outside this it's pretty poor. Dvorak is more a 3C and im totally agree but he still maybe the best complement available.

via trade leafs asset are also extremely limited so we should be realistic

I will say the same with Matthews, at the salary he's paid... he should be able to play with weaker teammate because is every team doing it but leafs can't... They will never have better depht

Florida playing with Rodrigues who's not a better player on their top line

Edmonton with Perry and Kapanen who are not top 6 player.

vw
egas with barbashev who was nothing else than a 25- 40 pts player before joined vegas

Oreilly with Samuel Blais

It's not about get the best player overal but get wich player will be the best complementslary player for Nylander game and no doubt for me than Dvorak is a better fit than player like duchene or granlund even if overall duchrne /Gfanlund are better

 

[Tony Romo]

matthews scored 5 goals in 7 games in a playoff series with that line. I'd be very interested to see Matthews stats away from Marner in the playoffs by series to truly judge. Going off of memory even in the Boston series the games matthews was healthy that Bert-Matthews-Domi line was lights out and I believe against Tampa (second time around) when he was probably the best player in the series I believe he was playing with someone else (I believe ROR-Tavares-Marner was a line in that series)

When he played against Boston as well, I think they had him with Nylander at times.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

You want player to have succes in regular season or player who can make thing happen in playoff?

Both.

Unfortunately, Dvorak is neither of those things.

 

[thusk]

Both.

Unfortunately, Dvorak is neither of those things.

He was just probably best habs foward vs Washington

He's not the best offensive player but he goes in dirty area, winning puck battle in front of the net and create space for his teammate. Playing with peripheric player like Nylabder, you need guy who gonna do that work because it's not Nylander who will do it and you need it come player

 

[ULF_55]

As much as it makes me want to puke, Marchand makes the most sense to me as a big ticket FA to use the bulk of the Marner money on. He can still play, shows up in the clutch, would instantly shift the culture, and based in his age would likely demand the kind of term that lines up with our remaining window with this core. Make him an offer he can't refuse.

Everyone will make him a similar offer.

Why would he chose Toronto?

AI says this is why: No, Brad Marchand did not grow up a Habs fan. He stated that he grew up a Toronto Maple Leafs fan. He has even said that he enjoys playing against the Leafs and interacting with their fans.

Would not be against it, however Karma has eyes on him ...

 

[ULF_55]

What the buzz with Suter??? I personally don't understand it at all

Do you really think he would bring much more than a Kerfoot?!?!?!

From watching him play.
Caught my eye in a few games.
He's available and won't be stupidly priced.

 

[andora]

From watching him play.
Caught my eye in a few games.
He's available and won't be stupidly priced.

He is a very smart player in the neutral and d zones.. excellent reads

 

[ULF_55]

I will be the first one to say, “I didn’t see that coming”, if Bennett doesn’t resign with Florida.

Hey, maybe it happens ... we're Leafs fans right?
If we found a genie and could wish ... and got favorable contracts.


Knies - Matthews - Kane
Ehlers - Bennett - Nylander
Laughton - Tavares - Domi
Holmberg - Quillan - Cowan

or

Knies - Matthews - Boeser
Marchand - Bennett - Nylander
Laughton - Tavares - Domi
Holmberg - Quillan - Cowan

Tavares 8 * $2.5mm
Marchand is already 37 years old, and has been relatively healthy.

 

[Torontonian]

They have no choice but to retool in free agency frenzy

Scary times ahead. I have little faith they are going to hit on every FA signing without handing out a bad deal. Especially because there's a lot of money to spend and so much to fill.

 

[The Shadow]

Scary times ahead. I have little faith they are going to hit on every FA signing without handing out a bad deal. Especially because there's a lot of money to spend and so much to fill.

Agreed. I’d rather them not be desperate than agreeing to long contracts and giving out no move clauses like they tend to do. Tre even gave Kampf a no trade clause lol

They are like many teams. Not good enough to win the cup but good enough to make the playoffs and maybe win 1-2 rounds

 

[Trapper]

Our best guys have been in the league for close on a decade, if they need to learn lessons for a 40 year old at this point we may as well just give up and start again

Yes please, get a good LW like Kreider for the top 6 the team looks and is different and actually has a chance of being better than this year

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Kreider - Karlsson - Nylander

Seems like something you can work with.

 

[MarMarSab3]

He is a very smart player in the neutral and d zones.. excellent reads

I personally don't see it, he's a mid-level 3C who is going to get overpaid for some silly reason

 

[thusk]

From watching him play.
Caught my eye in a few games.
He's available and won't be stupidly priced.

Can he help leafs in regular season, yeah for sure. It is a guy who will make a difference and have a higher impact than what we had with Kerfoot by the past? i don't think so. He's a pretty smart player but he don't bring any more grit or additionnal physical game to the leafs.

Leafs need more player like patch, knies who gonna hit hard, goes in front of the net and win their 1v1 battle and less player like kerfoot, jarnkrok, mcmann, marner,nylander who struggling to win their battle

If you want to beat Florida, you need to be better in 1v1 battle and a Suter will not help at all in that department... So i will focus on player who will make leafs better on 1v1 battle because that where they need to be better

He is a very smart player in the neutral and d zones.. excellent reads

That's exactly what Kerfoot was

 

[ULF_55]

Can he help leafs in regular season, yeah for sure. It is a guy who will make a difference and have a higher impact than what we had with Kerfoot by the past? i don't think so. He's a pretty smart player but he don't bring any more grit or additionnal physical game to the leafs.

Leafs need more player like patch, knies who gonna hit hard, goes in front of the net and win their 1v1 battle and less player like kerfoot, jarnkrok, mcmann, marner,nylander who struggling to win their battle

If you want to beat Florida, you need to be better in 1v1 battle and a Suter will not help at all in that department... So i will focus on player who will make leafs better on 1v1 battle because that where they need to be better


That's exactly what Kerfoot was

Apparently, Kerfoot wasn't the problem.

Sure if they can land a player that can play a grittier game, except someone who isn't broken down and barely able to lace up the skates.

 

[ULF_55]

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Kreider - Karlsson - Nylander

Seems like something you can work with.

It would be nice eh?

How do the trades work though?

 

[ULF_55]

I personally don't see it, he's a mid-level 3C who is going to get overpaid for some silly reason

His results this year put him 6th. on the Leafs for points, and goals.
He lead their forwards in PK time.
Leafs need middle 6 players.

Of course, if they can get top 6 players under the Cap, after re-signing Knies to a top line paycheque, no one will complain.

Ehlers and Bennett that would be my miracle and heck throw in 37 year old Marchand.

 

[andora]

I personally don't see it, he's a mid-level 3C who is going to get overpaid for some silly reason

Nothing you said relates to anything i said

Can he help leafs in regular season, yeah for sure. It is a guy who will make a difference and have a higher impact than what we had with Kerfoot by the past? i don't think so. He's a pretty smart player but he don't bring any more grit or additionnal physical game to the leafs.

Leafs need more player like patch, knies who gonna hit hard, goes in front of the net and win their 1v1 battle and less player like kerfoot, jarnkrok, mcmann, marner,nylander who struggling to win their battle

If you want to beat Florida, you need to be better in 1v1 battle and a Suter will not help at all in that department... So i will focus on player who will make leafs better on 1v1 battle because that where they need to be better


That's exactly what Kerfoot was

They are similar in role but imo different im effect. I am not going to start a discussion on the useless kerfoot i dont want to read a book

Suter is a very effective smat player versatile w/c

 

[Trapper]

It would be nice eh?

How do the trades work though?

We have to wait and see who signs who on July 1st. For example, if Vegas signs Marner and needs to sign Eichel next year, they might move Karlsson cheaper than expected for cap room.
Maybe NY would be interested in Robertson in a Kreider deal.
Then we have UFAs like Bennett and Ehlers to look at. Bennett might be a long shot but Ehlers might be sold on a bigger role playing with Matthews to entice him. Or maybe Tanev wants to sign here to play with his brother.
We have options if management is serious about DNA change or run it back if they are lying.

 

[Torontonian]

Agreed. I’d rather them not be desperate than agreeing to long contracts and giving out no move clauses like they tend to do. Tre even gave Kampf a no trade clause lol

They are like many teams. Not good enough to win the cup but good enough to make the playoffs and maybe win 1-2 rounds

Which is exactly why building and adding 2 or 3 main pieces in UFA is a stupid idea. Toronto (which I already accepted if Bennett hits UFA), will be giving a 8m-8.5m NMC contract to a 1 time 50 point centerman, that sounds like a good move for the organization...

You make trades and get players on existing good contracts to fill in major spots on your roster & you fill in the depths of your team in FA. You don't hand out big money and big contracts to mediocre players and hope they can fill major holes in free agency.

Toronto is like every other team, we were hoping for a dynasty, that's not going to happen, but you keep banging on the door and hope you win once. Keep making the playoffs and hope you can run the gauntlet... Giving out shit deals in FA is how you kill that and make your team become average at best.

 

[nuck]

I will be the first one to say, “I didn’t see that coming”, if Bennett doesn’t resign with Florida.

His playoff production this year and profile in the finals have really peaked his value to Florida which was already solid. Even Tre wouldn't let him go

 

[Casino Royale]

Ppl want Marner to walk but then sign a weaker, worse, glass version in Ehlers?!

Makes no sense.

(This team needs Marchand,and I hate saying that, but I want him now even near eight mil)

 

[Dreakmur]

It would be nice eh?

How do the trades work though?

Bobby McMann to Vegas for William Karlsson. This assumes they want to make a significant add in UFA and need cap space.

Kreider could probably be had for nothing... maybe push David Kampf the other way with a mid-round pick.

 

[ULF_55]

We have to wait and see who signs who on July 1st. For example, if Vegas signs Marner and needs to sign Eichel next year, they might move Karlsson cheaper than expected for cap room.
Maybe NY would be interested in Robertson in a Kreider deal.
Then we have UFAs like Bennett and Ehlers to look at. Bennett might be a long shot but Ehlers might be sold on a bigger role playing with Matthews to entice him. Or maybe Tanev wants to sign here to play with his brother.
We have options if management is serious about DNA change or run it back if they are lying.

Yes, there is some discussions about both players, but my opinion is the Leafs are not a team flush with valuable assets. Weak prospect pool, no picks to speak of, a line-up of 4th. liners outside their few top players under contract.

I just don't see the Leafs having the ammo to compete with the crowd.

Kreider an American with 15 team NTC. (Want to bet Canada NTC?)
Karlsson a Swede with a 10 team NTC. Toronto has been good for Swedes, other than "those people."

 

[thusk]

Apparently, Kerfoot wasn't the problem.

Sure if they can land a player that can play a grittier game, except someone who isn't broken down and barely able to lace up the skates.

1- I think Suter salary for next season will be higher than what you expecting, i'm not that sure he will be a cheap option.

2- i dont see him as a fit for leafs need and identity treliving and Berube try to bring in

but yeah im agree kerfoot was not the problem but doesn't mean he wqs the right guy

Nothing you said relates to anything i said


They are similar in role but imo different im effect. I am not going to start a discussion on the useless kerfoot i dont want to read a book

Suter is a very effective smat player versatile w/c

Did Suter bring more grit/ physical presence in front the net? no
Did he bring more offensive? no
Did he bring better defensive game ? no

Where he should be more effective

For me it's a classic " grass looking greener on the other side"