Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Fogelhund]

Holl would not be in the top 6. You bring in the puck mover and PP QB that Rielly is no longer. I like Ekblad but he has too many hard miles. Provorov? Maybe Tre trades for Andersson? Either way I'd rather sit and eat $3.4m of Holl's money or buy him out over $37.5m and 5 more years of Rielly.

I get the point... but eating Holl's money, means you can't afford Ekblad, Provorov or Andersson on the cap. That's the whole point here.

It means you really end up with just $4 mil for a D man, so yet get.... You might be able to get Fabbro for just above that... but you aren't affording the top names.

The requirement to remake the forward group is going to suck up the remaining $... so moving out Rielly really means, we can only use approx his cap for a replacement, and if Holl is sucking up half of that... toast.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I am ready to move on from Kampf as well. I dont see any upside there and we can probably replace him for something cheaper.

I agree Bennett will get paid. I dont think that deal will be good value unfortunately. On Florida Bennett can be magic because the rest of the roster is also heart and soul. In Toronto I think Bennett would lose his mind. I also dont think he would be able to keep up with Matthews or Nylander so not sure how he would be effective in our top 6. Bennett is north-south kind of player, Matthews/Nylander are less so.

Maybe

Domi-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Bennett-XXXX/Cowan (big ask from Cowan)

This is what I am playing with right now.

The Kampf and Jarnkrok trades occur after July 1st because the Leafs are going to need to pay their signing bonuses

Robertson trade made ahead of draft or on draft weekend

McMann and Domi trades could happen anytime but probably after July 1st, after July 1st Domi's actual salary averages out to 2.5M per year which is pretty good value if a team doesn't care about his cap hit.

There is 310k cap space left over in case I am a smidge off on the AAVs for anyone or it's a veteran like Toews or Faksa in place of Quillan.

 

[ToneDog]

I get the point... but eating Holl's money, means you can't afford Ekblad, Provorov or Andersson on the cap. That's the whole point here.

It means you really end up with just $4 mil for a D man, so yet get.... You might be able to get Fabbro for just above that... but you aren't affording the top names.

The requirement to remake the forward group is going to suck up the remaining $... so moving out Rielly really means, we can only use approx his cap for a replacement, and if Holl is sucking up half of that... toast.

You are not wrong but that is for one year, worst case. They could also move Holl or buy him out if they needed more cap space. I also see them moving off Jarnkrok and Kampf to free up cap space. Both are useless here.

 

[Fogelhund]

You are not wrong but that is for one year, worst case. They could also move Holl or buy him out if they needed more cap space. I also see them moving off Jarnkrok and Kampf to free up cap space. Both are useless here.

Yes, Reaves, Jarnkrok, Kampf, Robertson... all likely moved... or in Robertson's case, just not offered a contract... though that would be stupid asset management... at least sign him and move him somewhere for anything.

I just think we can find a better deal for Rielly, if they wanted to move him, than being stuck with Holl. I also don't think they want to move Rielly... Personally, I would, but that doesn't matter too much.

 

[Fogelhund]

J Quillan.... I can't be the only one can I?

 

[WTFMAN99]

J Quillan.... I can't be the only one can I?

I forgot about this and it's glorious.

 

[darrylsittler27]

In short, the Leafs are a total mess. An aging post prime mostly overpaid core. No picks, no prospects and they traded guys like Kadri, let go of Hyman and Marchment and now Marner walks. Plus the core all have nmcs and Mathews is injured. Hard to do a worse job.In two years they will be like Boston only worse. What a total joke.

 

[Gaberd2608]

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This is what I am playing with right now.

The Kampf and Jarnkrok trades occur after July 1st because the Leafs are going to need to pay their signing bonuses

Robertson trade made ahead of draft or on draft weekend

McMann and Domi trades could happen anytime but probably after July 1st, after July 1st Domi's actual salary averages out to 2.5M per year which is pretty good value if a team doesn't care about his cap hit.

There is 310k cap space left over in case I am a smidge off on the AAVs for anyone or it's a veteran like Toews or Faksa in place of Quillan.

We put too much thought into things lol.

Ehlers-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Bennett-Domi
Cowan-Dickinson-McMann
Perry-Toews-Maxpax/Lorentz

Ehlers @$8 million
Bennett @ $8 million
Knies @ $7 million
Perry/Toews/Maxpac/Lorentz each @ $1 million

Kampf + Robertson + ? for Dickinson with some retention.

Maybe there is some world where we can trade Rielly and replace him with Provorov?

 

[Fogelhund]

In short, the Leafs are a total mess. An aging post prime mostly overpaid core. No picks, no prospects and they traded guys like Kadri, let go of Hyman and Marchment and now Marner walks. Plus the core all have nmcs and Mathews is injured. Hard to do a worse job.In two years they will be like Boston only worse. What a total joke.

I must have missed it was Festivus... misguided festivus at that.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Yikes on that Nelson deal...
I'm not willing to pay JT 7 million, max 5.5

 

[TMLAM34]

I think the organization needs to stand firm when it comes to contract negotiations with JT regardless of what Nelson got. Nelson isn’t coming off an 11 million dollar contract per for the past 7 years. Defer money, do whatever it takes but I wouldn’t go past a 5.5 million dollar cap hit.

I would go after Kunin in free agency, this would be my ideal third line.

McMann(1.35) - Tavares(5.5) - Kunin(2.25)

 

[Americanadian]

Holl for Rielly. Who says no?

I’ve been under the impression that PIT/DET were swapping Holl for Acciari.

Rielly for Holl for Acciari would be a yes.

 

[Fogelhund]

I’ve been under the impression that PIT/DET were swapping Holl for Acciari.

Rielly for Holl for Acciari would be a yes.

We are trying to rid ourselves of poor value contracts in Jarnkrok and Kampf... But we want 12 points, for $2 mil in Acciari?

Let's be better.

 

[Tony Romo]

We are trying to rid ourselves of poor value contracts in Jarnkrok and Kampf... But we want 12 points, for $2 mil in Acciari?

Let's be better.

acquiring Acciari is bad, yes. However the 5.5m difference in Rielly and Acciari may make it worth it

 

[hamzarocks]

I’ve been under the impression that PIT/DET were swapping Holl for Acciari.

Rielly for Holl for Acciari would be a yes.

If Rielly's value is that low, than we should bring him back, put him back on PP1 and have him have a big offensive season and then look to trade in the summer next year.

Acciari isn't a NHL player on a cup hopeful team.

Rielly was still a good player in the playoffs before final 3-4 games vs FLO

 

[ULF_55]

Yikes on that Nelson deal...
I'm not willing to pay JT 7 million, max 5.5

It is only 3 years.

Look at the Gourde deal ... 6 years and still at $2.3mm. Tavares is the same age, and we know Treliving did the Tanev 6 year deal to get the Cap Hit down.

Won't be surprised to see a 6*$5 type of deal.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It is only 3 years.

Look at the Gourde deal ... 6 years and still at $2.3mm. Tavares is the same age, and we know Treliving did the Tanev 6 year deal to get the Cap Hit down.

Won't be surprised to see a 6*$5 type of deal.

I think if you're going beyond 1-2 years on JT, you just lean into and go something crazy like 8 years 2.5M per, it's the new backdiving deal.

 

[Fogelhund]

acquiring Acciari is bad, yes. However the 5.5m difference in Rielly and Acciari may make it worth it

No.... Acciari is a downgrade at this point for our forwards. We need to find a way to get better. Taking on extra money, means lower quality players elsewhere... I keep saying this, but if we are going to move Rielly, which won't happen anyway, it needs to be for someone with either surplus value, like a Sherwood, or just prospects and picks.

We would need all the cap room to sign a defensively replacement, and if we accept garbage back, that won't happen.. plus this idea that Rielly doesn't have value, is well misplaced.

 

[Americanadian]

We are trying to rid ourselves of poor value contracts in Jarnkrok and Kampf... But we want 12 points, for $2 mil in Acciari?

Let's be better.

If that’s all you have to take back to get rid of 7.5M for 5 years then yes. You’re trading bad contract for bad contract.

I’m not suggesting the Leafs trade a positive value asset for Noel Acciari in 2025.

 

[Americanadian]

Rielly was still a good player in the playoffs before final 3-4 games vs FLO

Rielly was a step behind all season. He has 5 years left at 7.5M. He is currently 31. He is not positive value on that contract.

 

[Americanadian]

acquiring Acciari is bad, yes. However the 5.5m difference in Rielly and Acciari may make it worth it.

It’s good to see some people understand the reality!

 

[Tony Romo]

It’s good to see some people understand the reality!

did you just call me smart?

that maybe the nicest thing someone said to me today, i appreciate it

 

[ULF_55]

No.... Acciari is a downgrade at this point for our forwards. We need to find a way to get better. Taking on extra money, means lower quality players elsewhere... I keep saying this, but if we are going to move Rielly, which won't happen anyway, it needs to be for someone with either surplus value, like a Sherwood, or just prospects and picks.

We would need all the cap room to sign a defensively replacement, and if we accept garbage back, that won't happen.. plus this idea that Rielly doesn't have value, is well misplaced.

Bring in the best talent that will lift the entire line.

Bringing in players already at the same level does nothing to elevate the team.

Introducing prospects into a team that doesn't have that lift won't make the same impact.

Knies playing with Domi and Jarnkrok wouldn't be getting the same results as playing with Matthews.

IMO.

 

[hamzarocks]

Rielly was a step behind all season. He has 5 years left at 7.5M. He is currently 31. He is not positive value on that contract.

I think if he waived his NMC he can get a hockey trade done pretty fairly.

He had a down year but has a track record of good offensive play and being a reliable player who can be a good #2D at the worst.

We saw Seth Jones got a 1st + Knight with some retention, and Jones had a worse contract and worse reputation than Rielly does now.

I doubt rielly gets moved this year due to him not waiving his NMC.

If he stinks again then we can buy him out next summer or do a trade with 3-4M retention if he changes his mind on an NMC.

I'd give him one shot to show he's hungry to bounce back and can be a good player again

 

[Americanadian]

I think if he waived his NMC he can get a hockey trade done pretty fairly.

He had a down year but has a track record of good offensive play and being a reliable player who can be a good #2D at the worst.

We saw Seth Jones got a 1st + Knight with some retention, and Jones had a worse contract and worse reputation than Rielly does now.

I doubt rielly gets moved this year due to him not waiving his NMC.

If he stinks again then we can buy him out next summer or do a trade with 3-4M retention if he changes his mind on an NMC.

I'd give him one shot to show he's hungry to bounce back and can be a good player again

You’d rather retain for 4+ years than take on a 2M pending UFA? If you can get out of the contract basically for free I don’t see why you wouldn’t do that.