Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[rumman]

Holl for Rielly. Who says no?

only if Holl is immediately moved, addition by subtraction imo............

 

[Fogelhund]

Holl for Rielly. Who says no?

Toronto says no.

Having Holl at $3.4 mil, is worse than having Rielly at $7.5 mil.

If we move off of Rielly, we are going to need to spend that cap on a replacement, so we can't afford to take that kind of dead cap. I can't see Holl being moveable at that point.... so we'd be stuck with him.

If he were to be moved, which I doubt would happen... I'd like a depth offensive player, or prospect back, and not much else. One scenario that could make sense, would be to Vancouver, to replace Hughes if they move him to NJD to play with his brother.... Something like Sherwood back is appealing to me... low cap hit, useful player.

 

[aingefan]

Fabbro could easily be that adjustment

That’s the most interesting name among UFA D for me. Age, handedness, skill set contract projections.
There’s four LD in the top 6. I’d think you could move off one to fill another need and balance out the top 6.
We don’t get much of a sense of the org’s view of its minor league defenders, probably because of their spot in the win cycle and because they’re mostly good fringy/complementary types.
Having watched a lot of Marlies this year, there’s four guys (all waiver eligible now, three RFA in WilkyNeuve, Niemela, Kokkonen plus Rifai) who could probably keep their head above water as 6-8 d, but they don’t really fit the Tre/Berube archetype.
If the team wanted to save a few bucks and go competition by commitee, a couple of those guys could be in that mix.
But I’d more expect a plug and play guy like Fabbro or Perbix if they move off a lefty.

 

[SprDaVE]

Another one bites the dust...Tik tok Mr. Boston Pizza Junior.

 

[Duffman955]

Another one bites the dust...Tik tok Mr. Boston Pizza Junior.

He actually played really well for Avs. But good thing leafs didn't sign a deal like that

 

[SprDaVE]

He actually played really well for Avs. But good thing leafs didn't sign a deal like that

Tavares is a year older but he put up better numbers. Going to be tough to get him to sign a cheaper deal than that.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Another one bites the dust...Tik tok Mr. Boston Pizza Junior.

Whoa. I admit, I fell for the "he's going to Minnesota" rumours. A self-reminder that I need to stop listening to rumours.

 

[SprDaVE]

Whoa. I admit, I fell for the "he's going to Minnesota" rumours. A self-reminder that I need to stop listening to rumours.

Colorado certainly didn't get a discount here so perhaps he just decided it was a good deal to stay on a contender.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Another one bites the dust...Tik tok Mr. Boston Pizza Junior.

Doesn't the NHL generally discourage playoff trades? There was that tidbit they weren't happy that Dubas made that Kapanen trade.

I wouldn't mind seeing some moves right now though, he's employed 365 days a year...even a Robertson trade for a pick right now is at least getting something done.

 

[Fogelhund]

Tavares is a year older but he put up better numbers. Going to be tough to get him to sign a cheaper deal than that.

It really depends on Tavares priorities at this point. Surely he could find someone to pay him more than that... and at the same time, we can't, or at least shouldn't.

I've said before, but I'd love a 6 x $3.5 mil deal. It's pretty close to the same money as Nelson's contract, just spread out over years he probably won't play, or won't be all that effective.

The challenge of course... is who will be left at C? It's not a great list, and in all honesty, we have just Matthews who should be a full time C signed right now... Ok, Kampf is a C, but I seem him being moved... which leaves Domi and Laughton to be used at C, and both are better used at W.



Bennett -> I think, and others do as well... he likely extends in Florida
Granlund
Duchene
Dvorak
Bjugstad
Suter

 

[MSZ]

7.5 for Nelson? Jesus Christ the Avs will never win another cup again.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It really depends on Tavares priorities at this point. Surely he could find someone to pay him more than that... and at the same time, we can't, or at least shouldn't.

I've said before, but I'd love a 6 x $3.5 mil deal. It's pretty close to the same money as Nelson's contract, just spread out over years he probably won't play, or won't be all that effective.

The challenge of course... is who will be left at C? It's not a great list, and in all honesty, we have just Matthews who should be a full time C signed right now... Ok, Kampf is a C, but I seem him being moved... which leaves Domi and Laughton to be used at C, and both are better used at W.



Bennett -> I think, and others do as well... he likely extends in Florida
Granlund
Duchene
Dvorak
Bjugstad
Suter

Bennett I would do 7.5M x5-6 years and frontload the F out of it. I feel like that deal should have gotten done by now.

Granlund...certainly open to him, I think he could be a good centre for Nylander

Duchene is fast but 1 playoff goal this year...Suter would be an okay 3C.

4C - Told you I am between Toews/Kuraly/Quillan/Faksa, I don't know why but Bjugstad doesn't seem like he'd come here, maybe I am wrong, even have my doubts about Kuraly.

 

[ToneDog]

Toronto says no.

Having Holl at $3.4 mil, is worse than having Rielly at $7.5 mil.

If we move off of Rielly, we are going to need to spend that cap on a replacement, so we can't afford to take that kind of dead cap. I can't see Holl being moveable at that point.... so we'd be stuck with him.

If he were to be moved, which I doubt would happen... I'd like a depth offensive player, or prospect back, and not much else. One scenario that could make sense, would be to Vancouver, to replace Hughes if they move him to NJD to play with his brother.... Something like Sherwood back is appealing to me... low cap hit, useful player.

I'll take Holl @ $3.4m for 1 more year over Rielly @ $7.5m for 5 more year in a heartbeat. No brainer for me.

 

[Fogelhund]

Bennett I would do 7.5M x5-6 years and frontload the F out of it. I feel like that deal should have gotten done by now.

Granlund...certainly open to him, I think he could be a good centre for Nylander

Duchene is fast but 1 playoff goal this year...Suter would be an okay 3C.

4C - Told you I am between Toews/Kuraly/Quillan/Faksa, I don't know why but Bjugstad doesn't seem like he'd come here, maybe I am wrong, even have my doubts about Kuraly.

I only listed guys who might be middle six guys.

We'll see what Bennett does, they still have some games to focus on.

 

[ToneDog]

only if Holl is immediately moved, addition by subtraction imo............

Not necessarily but you could immediately buy him out and the cap hit would not hurt as much as the one to buy Rielly out. Rielly has to go and one year of Holl at less than half one year of Rielly would be too good to be true if you ask me.

 

[Fogelhund]

I'll take Holl @ $3.4m for 1 more year over Rielly @ $7.5m for 5 more year in a heartbeat. No brainer for me.

Our D would be toast next year... no chance management torpedos the team for a year, to get out of Rielly... If they move Rielly, it won't be to handcuff the team for an even worse D... I get the term, but your position is one of... that's the only way we could get rid of Rielly... which wouldn't be the case.

 

[Gaberd2608]

Bennett I would do 7.5M x5-6 years and frontload the F out of it. I feel like that deal should have gotten done by now.

Granlund...certainly open to him, I think he could be a good centre for Nylander

Duchene is fast but 1 playoff goal this year...Suter would be an okay 3C.

4C - Told you I am between Toews/Kuraly/Quillan/Faksa, I don't know why but Bjugstad doesn't seem like he'd come here, maybe I am wrong, even have my doubts about Kuraly.

In a worst case scenario we have Matthews-Tavares-Laugton-Kampf down the middle.

I think we can upgrade things. I think if Leafs can sign Ehlers and Granlund that would probabaly be a good line with Nylander. We can probabaly get both of them for same price of Marner.

The Bennett stuff is getting a little over the top. He is a good player who brings a lot of stuff to the table but he is still a ~50 point player who broke 50 points barely for the first time at 28 years old. Bennett would be fun to play on the 3rd line with Laughton and Domi but I am not sure if we can make the money work while still needing someone to play on the top line.

We should give Matthews the Crosby treatment and give him McCann on the top line. For what Matthews makes and the size of his ego he should be able to bring out the best in another player.

Knies-Matthews-McCann
Ehlers-Granlund-Nylander
Laughton-Bennett-Domi
Lorentz-Kampf-Holmberg

 

[ToneDog]

Our D would be toast next year... no chance management torpedos the team for a year, to get out of Rielly... If they move Rielly, it won't be to handcuff the team for an even worse D... I get the term, but your position is one of... that's the only way we could get rid of Rielly... which wouldn't be the case.

Holl would not be in the top 6. You bring in the puck mover and PP QB that Rielly is no longer. I like Ekblad but he has too many hard miles. Provorov? Maybe Tre trades for Andersson? Either way I'd rather sit and eat $3.4m of Holl's money or buy him out over $37.5m and 5 more years of Rielly.

 

[rumman]

Not necessarily but you could immediately buy him out and the cap hit would not hurt as much as the one to buy Rielly out. Rielly has to go and one year of Holl at less than half one year of Rielly would be too good to be true if you ask me.

offer him to the Penguins, I highly doubt Boy Wonder couldn't turn that run it back down,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[rumman]

I'll take Holl @ $3.4m for 1 more year over Rielly @ $7.5m for 5 more year in a heartbeat. No brainer for me.

why not , it's not like dumping Marleau and losing a first rounder, addition by subtraction...........

 

[WTFMAN99]

In a worst case scenario we have Matthews-Tavares-Laugton-Kampf down the middle.

I think we can upgrade things. I think if Leafs can sign Ehlers and Granlund that would probabaly be a good line with Nylander. We can probabaly get both of them for same price of Marner.

The Bennett stuff is getting a little over the top. He is a good player who brings a lot of stuff to the table but he is still a ~50 point player who broke 50 points barely for the first time at 28 years old. Bennett would be fun to play on the 3rd line with Laughton and Domi but I am not sure if we can make the money work while still needing someone to play on the top line.

We should give Matthews the Crosby treatment and give him McCann on the top line. For what Matthews makes and the size of his ego he should be able to bring out the best in another player.

Knies-Matthews-McCann
Ehlers-Granlund-Nylander
Laughton-Bennett-Domi
Lorentz-Kampf-Holmberg

Bennett is going to be paid like an elite 2C, you're kind of paying for what he will do for you in the playoffs, not the regular season.

I don't see a world where Kampf returns.

 

[Tony Romo]

Nelson getting 3x7.5m from Colorado.

I would've done that for sure if he hit the market.

 

[ToneDog]

why not , it's not like dumping Marleau and losing a first rounder, addition by subtraction...........

It looked like a good deal at the time but in a couple of year, the Rielly contract could be more difficult to move than Marleau's. Dubas left Tre with a time bomb. I'm guessing the few remaining Dubasites and Riellly fanboys will disagree. LOL.

 

[rumman]

It looked like a good deal at the time but in a couple of year, the Rielly contract could be more difficult to move than Marleau's. Dubas left Tre with a time bomb. I'm guessing the few remaining Dubasites and Riellly fanboys will disagree. LOL.

Thankfully their numbers are steadily on the decline..........

 

[Gaberd2608]

Bennett is going to be paid like an elite 2C, you're kind of paying for what he will do for you in the playoffs, not the regular season.

I don't see a world where Kampf returns.

I am ready to move on from Kampf as well. I dont see any upside there and we can probably replace him for something cheaper.

I agree Bennett will get paid. I dont think that deal will be good value unfortunately. On Florida Bennett can be magic because the rest of the roster is also heart and soul. In Toronto I think Bennett would lose his mind. I also dont think he would be able to keep up with Matthews or Nylander so not sure how he would be effective in our top 6. Bennett is north-south kind of player, Matthews/Nylander are less so.

Maybe

Domi-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Bennett-XXXX/Cowan (big ask from Cowan)