Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Americanadian]

To Toronto: Dylan Guenther + Barrett Hayton + 2026 OTT 2nd Round Draft Pick
To Utah: William Nylander

I would love this and it seems like the type of swing Utah would try to make.

They might try to force Guenther+Crouse because they don't have any C's to backfill Hayton.

 

[nuck]

With Marner walking, I honestly wonder if we’ll need to explore the trade market for Nylander and essentially split him into two top six forwards. Bennett would be a nice UFA addition, but I don’t see it actually happening and then it leaves replacing Marner pretty difficult.

To Toronto: Dylan Guenther + Barrett Hayton + 2026 OTT 2nd Round Draft Pick
To Utah: William Nylander

Then sign Brock Boeser to help replace more of the offence we will be loosing. Trade for Ross Colton if Colorado is looking to shed some salary.


Knies(8) - Matthews(13.25) - Boeser(8)
Domi(3.75) - Hayton(2.65) - Guenther(7.14)
Colton(4) - Tavares(5.5) - McMann(1.35)
Jeannot(2.85) - Laughton(1.5) - Holmberg(1.35)
Quillan(0.88)

Rielly(7.5) - Carlo(3.49)
McCabe(4.51) - Tanev(4.5)
Ekman Larsson(3.5) - Perbix(2.75)
Myers(0.85)

Stolarz(2.5) - Woll(3.67)

This team is roughly 93.5 million towards the cap.

If Marner walks Treliving's head will explode. There is zero chance the next step after that would involve moving Willie. If they moved Willie they could afford Marner and they would.

 

[Menzinger]

I would love this and it seems like the type of swing Utah would try to make.

They might try to force Guenther+Crouse to offset salary and because they don't have any C's to backfill Hayton.

Though hard to see Willy of all people on the team agreeing to waive to Utah. A less exciting place to live, a non-playoff team ect.

 

[Americanadian]

Though hard to see Willy of all people on the team agreeing to waive to Utah. A less exciting place to live, a non-playoff team ect.

Fully agree here. I do think of the NMC Willy would be the most likely to waive but it's probably only to go to similar markets (NY, LA) or the tax advantaged warm markets (LV, Dallas, Nashville, Florida).

I could see Washington as a stealth team that he'd be willing to go to that would also be willing to pay big for him. A lot of people really like the Washington area and I'm sure they have Backstrom give Willy the full sell. Protas+Leonard would be an extremely enticing package.

 

[Americanadian]

If Marner walks Treliving's head will explode. There is zero chance the next step after that would involve moving Willie. If they moved Willie they could afford Marner and they would.

I think Marner walking is about more than just the money.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[ACC1224]

If Marner signs with the Hurricanes, after refusing to waive to be traded there for Rantanen. He will instantly become one of the most hated Leaf players ever. Pretty much the Vince Carter of the Raptors.

Weird take.

 

[TheKingSlayer]

Sign and trade Marner to Vegas and take back Karlsson. Maybe flip Mcmann in the deal to make it work.

Knies - Matthews - xxx
Tavares - Karlsson - Nylander
Domi - Laughton - Cowan
Lorentz - xxx - Steeves

Ex: Patches

Tanev - Mccabe
Rielly - Carlo
Oel - Benoit

Dump Jarnkrok, Robertson, Holmberg and Kampf to a bottom deal needing some good vets/role players. If we have to keep Kampf to start the year as the 4th C, go for it. We need room for our young guys to play and succeed. Find a spot for Steeves and maybe Quillan. I am not opposed to signing Patty Kane and putting him in the Marner spot. Hell sign Toews while we're at it for the 4C spot! He can rotate with Laughton of things go well. Don't spend stupid. Use the cap to recoup some assets and wait to spend on someone(s) worthwhile.

Maybe Kreider makes sense for Line 1... dunno. I'd love some speed there to hustle like Knies.

 

[WillNy29]

why does everyone want a slow skating playoff choker in Marchment, I thought we were changing our DNA?

 

[Dreakmur]

why does everyone want a slow skating playoff choker in Marchment, I thought we were changing our DNA?

There’s a difference between a ‘choker’ and a depth guy performing like a depth guy.

A couple goals and a physical presence I seems like a decent contribution from a 3rd liner.

 

[Dreakmur]

Sign and trade Marner to Vegas and take back Karlsson. Maybe flip Mcmann in the deal to make it work.

A sign and trade isn’t really an option, but if Vegas wants to make a splash in UFA, it might make sense to swap Karlsson for McMann.

Knies - Matthews - xxx
Tavares - Karlsson - Nylander
Domi - Laughton - Cowan
Lorentz - xxx - Steeves

Ex: Patches

Tanev - Mccabe
Rielly - Carlo
Oel - Benoit

Tavares only makes sense as the 3c.

Dump Jarnkrok, Robertson, Holmberg and Kampf to a bottom deal needing some good vets/role players. If we have to keep Kampf to start the year as the 4th C, go for it. We need room for our young guys to play and succeed. Find a spot for Steeves and maybe Quillan. I am not opposed to signing Patty Kane and putting him in the Marner spot. Hell sign Toews while we're at it for the 4C spot! He can rotate with Laughton of things go well. Don't spend stupid. Use the cap to recoup some assets and wait to spend on someone(s) worthwhile.

Maybe Kreider makes sense for Line 1... dunno. I'd love some speed there to hustle like Knies.

Kreider makes sense opposite Nylander on line 2, assuming the price is right. That price would be pretty low… maybe Holmberg or something like that.

 

[fahad203]

There’s a difference between a ‘choker’ and a depth guy performing like a depth guy.

A couple goals and a physical presence I seems like a decent contribution from a 3rd liner.

I didn't see any physicality from him or not enough from a player who's 6'4

I don't see much difference between him and McMann

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Marchment guaranteed a leaf next season, Robertson+ too obvious and we all know Tree cannot resist toughness DNA no matter the cost

Coach Deboer not happy team moved away from heavy to more skill and talks of other Robertson being shipped out of Dallas. Wouldn’t say it’s that likely. More likely McMann for Marchment.

 

[SprDaVE]

I didn't see any physicality from him or not enough from a player who's 6'4

I don't see much difference between him and McMann

There isn't, at least not for 3M+ more. He's a target because Dallas are in the same boat as us in terms of wanting to make changes and need cap space more than anything. The idea to target a player like Marchment to replace, say, Robertson makes a lot of sense. It doesn't if you lose McMann.

 

[SprDaVE]

Sign and trade Marner to Vegas and take back Karlsson. Maybe flip Mcmann in the deal to make it work.

Knies - Matthews - xxx
Tavares - Karlsson - Nylander
Domi - Laughton - Cowan
Lorentz - xxx - Steeves

Ex: Patches

Tanev - Mccabe
Rielly - Carlo
Oel - Benoit

Dump Jarnkrok, Robertson, Holmberg and Kampf to a bottom deal needing some good vets/role players. If we have to keep Kampf to start the year as the 4th C, go for it. We need room for our young guys to play and succeed. Find a spot for Steeves and maybe Quillan. I am not opposed to signing Patty Kane and putting him in the Marner spot. Hell sign Toews while we're at it for the 4C spot! He can rotate with Laughton of things go well. Don't spend stupid. Use the cap to recoup some assets and wait to spend on someone(s) worthwhile.

Maybe Kreider makes sense for Line 1... dunno. I'd love some speed there to hustle like Knies.

That's the very bare minimum of things Treliving has to do. Dump the veterans role players by the draft.

But he has to get busy and add more to the forward group one way or another. That's not good enough, especially in your bottom lines. Pacioretty was nice but he's done. Karlsson would be a nice get to upgrade down the middle potentially, but he's in dump territory for a reason.

Kreider would be a huge get, even at his age. If the Rangers give him away to keep doing whatever their doing, Leafs need to be on that. He's been with the NYR for his entire career so it might be an issue getting him to go to Toronto. Rangers would also probably prefer to just punt him out West.

 

[Stephen]

Though hard to see Willy of all people on the team agreeing to waive to Utah. A less exciting place to live, a non-playoff team ect.

I don’t see the value proposition in trying to move Willie to chase after a guy threatening to walk. Dump the guy who committed 8 years to grovel at the feet of the guy you don’t even really want back.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

why does everyone want a slow skating playoff choker in Marchment, I thought we were changing our DNA?

Look at our LW depth.

That's Your answer.

 

[Americanadian]

I don’t see the value proposition in trying to move Willie to chase after a guy threatening to walk. Dump the guy who committed 8 years to grovel at the feet of the guy you don’t even really want back.

I don't think anyone suggested that.

 

[rumman]

If Marner signs with the Hurricanes, after refusing to waive to be traded there for Rantanen. He will instantly become one of the most hated Leaf players ever. Pretty much the Vince Carter of the Raptors.

He already is……..

 

[namttebih]

Out of curiosity - and I'm not advocating that they do it unless it's a slam dunk deal - when can they trade their 2028 1st? Is it after this year's draft?

Totally hypothetical and unrealistic, but say Crosby told Dubas that he wanted to play out the last 2 years of his contract with Toronto only. Somehow Tre convinced Kyle to retain 50% . Would you be willing to empty the coffers for a 37 year old? 2028 1st, 2027 2nd, Cowen and Danford.

More curious about the first question than my proposition.

 

[SprDaVE]

Out of curiosity - and I'm not advocating that they do it unless it's a slam dunk deal - when can they trade their 2028 1st? Is it after this year's draft?

Totally hypothetical and unrealistic, but say Crosby told Dubas that he wanted to play out the last 2 years of his contract with Toronto only. Somehow Tre convinced Kyle to retain 50% . Would you be willing to empty the coffers for a 37 year old? 2028 1st, 2027 2nd, Cowen and Danford.

More curious about the first question than my proposition.

Are there any rules about trading picks beyond 3 years? I don't think there is.

 

[Torontonian]

There’s a difference between a ‘choker’ and a depth guy performing like a depth guy.

A couple goals and a physical presence I seems like a decent contribution from a 3rd liner.

If Toronto had any of that this playoffs, we would have made it to the 3rd round...

 

[fahad203]

Out of curiosity - and I'm not advocating that they do it unless it's a slam dunk deal - when can they trade their 2028 1st? Is it after this year's draft?

Totally hypothetical and unrealistic, but say Crosby told Dubas that he wanted to play out the last 2 years of his contract with Toronto only. Somehow Tre convinced Kyle to retain 50% . Would you be willing to empty the coffers for a 37 year old? 2028 1st, 2027 2nd, Cowen and Danford.

More curious about the first question than my proposition.

Montreal also made the playoffs last year. Crosby would rather play for Montreal than Toronto if all things were equal
and the answer is absolutely no. Not giving up Cowen and Danfort for Sid and I love Sid

You are actually better of going after Malkin for few draft picks. Still has some juice left in him and won't cost you much considering he's an FA next year

 

[fahad203]

Look at our LW depth.

That's Your answer.

Mason Marchment is not the player you think he is. From outside in his numbers look ok.
Kind of like Bobby McMann, looks good from outside, 6'2, scores 20 goals.

Reality is his impact is very minimal. Not a single playoff did Mason look like a big threat

 

[SprDaVE]

Mason Marchment is not the player you think he is. From outside in his numbers look ok.
Kind of like Bobby McMann, looks good from outside, 6'2, scores 20 goals.

Reality is his impact is very minimal. Not a single playoff did Mason look like a big threat

I think you have to take the good with the bad sometimes, and you hope he can figure it out.

Marchment has been a very good producing mid-line winger. I think people see his name, much like Domi, and think he's more than he is. He's just a solid 50 to 60 point player with size that does well in most metrics. We have to add players this off-season and if there's a chance at buying low on a capable player that fits a need, I think you do it. It's not like most players won't have warts in some way. It's going to be hard and likely unrealistic to expect every player added to be fierce and huge playoff performers.