Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Tony Romo]

McMann + 3rd rounder (acquired for Marners rights) for Pageau
Robertson for Marchment
Holmberg for Kreider

The Mangiapane/Tanev contracts are a little low. this leaves us 9k. You probably hope Cowan can take Mangiapane spot, so you have about 2.2m to sign some depth

 

[Casino Royale]

Marchment guaranteed a leaf next season, Robertson+ too obvious and we all know Tree cannot resist toughness DNA no matter the cost

 

[Americanadian]

If Kreider is a cap dump, could you turn around and use McMann + something else for Pageau?

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Kreider - Pageau - Nylander
Marchment - Tavares - Laughton/FA/Cowan?

You don't really take on any crippling contracts with Pageau/Marchment a FA at the end of the year. Kreider would have 1 year left.

Pageau is a good target but I'm not sure if that's the best use of McMann as an asset. I would think he holds more value than Pageau. I also wonder, with NYI moving off Nelson, if they still want to move Pageau. He seems like more of a deadline move for a team that's still going to try to make the playoffs but inevitably miss.

I do love the idea of acquiring players with 1 year left on their deal so you have a ton of money open up next summer but I wonder if just signing Reilly Smith to a 1x4M is a better bet than trading a 2nd for Mason Marchment.

 

[Menzinger]

What makes you think that?

I don't think his agent is going to want to sign until they know what the next year's cap will be. Even if he doesn't necessarily intend of pushing things to the max, he gave the team a haircut on the last deal and this one will be what sets his family up financially for the rest of their lives.

And 10+ years is a long time to spend in one place especially one with rough winters and where you don't necessarily have extended family around. I won't be surprised if his family/wife encourage him to at least see what else is out there, even if it's just to weigh the option between what ever that may be vs staying put

Then there's the X factor of getting a cup. Though I'm genuinely unsure of winning a cup this year (or next) helps or hurts his chances of staying. Could go either way depending on how you look at it

 

[Tony Romo]

Pageau is a good target but I'm not sure if that's the best use of McMann as an asset. I would think he holds more value than Pageau. I also wonder, with NYI moving off Nelson, if they still want to move Pageau. He seems like more of a deadline move for a team that's still going to try to make the playoffs but inevitably miss.

I do love the idea of acquiring players with 1 year left on their deal so you have a ton of money open up next summer but I wonder if just signing Reilly Smith to a 1x4M is a better bet than trading a 2nd for Mason Marchment.

I've just worked with the assumption that Robertson for Marchment is going to be a deal. I don't know if you could get a better player for Robertson?

but after seeing this, who knows.

 

[namttebih]

I've just worked with the assumption that Robertson for Marchment is going to be a deal. I don't know if you could get a better player for Robertson?

but after seeing this, who knows.

Stone for Stone part 2?

 

[Americanadian]

I've just worked with the assumption that Robertson for Marchment is going to be a deal. I don't know if you could get a better player for Robertson?

I was the first person on this board to propose that trade like 2 months ago but I have walked back my belief.

Robertson's value is probably a 4th or 5th. Marchment's value is probably a 2nd. I don't think Dallas will see value is acquiring a small winger - Friedman said today on 32 thoughts that they're worried they've shifted too far away from size and speed and more to skill and finesse (definitely not the exact quote). There will be teams who will pay a 2nd for Marchment and Dallas will probably take that over Robertson.

Also now the rumor of Robertson being available makes it less likely that they want Nick and less likely that they even trade Marchment.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't think his agent is going to want to sign until they know what the next year's cap will be. Even if he doesn't necessarily intend of pushing things to the max, he gave the team a haircut on the last deal and this one will be what sets his family up financially for the rest of their lives.

And 10+ years is a long time to spend in one place especially one with rough winters and where you don't necessarily have extended family around. I won't be surprised if his family/wife encourage him to at least see what else is out there, even if it's just to weigh the option between what ever that may be vs staying put

Then there's the X factor of getting a cup. Though I'm genuinely unsure of winning a cup this year (or next) helps or hurts his chances of staying. Could go either way depending on how you look at it

Certainly a reasonable view. It would certainly make for an interesting side story to next season if he doesn't sign and intends to go to UFA.
I still bet he signs before the season starts.

 

[Americanadian]

RE: Bennett in Toronto

Bennett has played with Tkachuk almost exclusively during the last 3 seasons. Tkachuk is the 2nd slowest forward in the entire NHL. The 3rd cog on their line was Cousins then Rodrigues over the last 3 years, both are not offensive drivers. Can Toronto replicate that Tkachuk-Bennett partnership with Tavares at LW?

Let's say Marner for Karlsson actually happens. Whether that be straight up or with an add from Toronto like Holmberg or a 2nd or a 3rd.

I am also just penciling in McMann for Raddysh, Benoit for Pospisil and Robertson for Kupari. I am also assuming Kampf and Jarnkrok are dealt for nothing.

Knies (6.5M)-Matthews-X (Domi, Eberle, Kane)
X (Mangiapane, Smith, Frederic, Marchment, Haula)-Karlsson-Nylander
Tavares (4.5M)-Bennett (8.5M)-X (Danforth, Raddysh, Brown)
Pospisil-Laughton-Kupari (1M)

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Carlo
OEL-Raddysh

Stolarz
Woll

You'd have 10.25M to fill those 3 winger spots. The best fits would probably be Domi, Mangiapane and Raddysh. Overpay Mangiapane and Raddysh on a 1 year deal and take a shot at an upgrade next summer.

 

[Stephen]

I like the idea of Laughton playing wing in a top 6 role. I'm assuming you didn't mean C.

IF Bennett is acquired and Tavares accepts 3C money and goes into the season knowing that is his role, try Max at 4C?

Lorentz Domi Jeannot

Just go out and be as annoying as possible.

Laughton on JTs wing would be a good start for a competitive 3rd line.

I asked the question earlier about trading Woll and signing a $1M veteran. Any thoughts on that?

Yeah something like that. I would envision something like Bennett Jeannot and Laughton being shock troops. Jeannot brings a dormant scoring touch and muscle. Bennett is toolsy, dirty. Laughton gets pulled up into the fight. And that becomes a big identity line.

 

[Stephen]

At present I'd wager he's going to test free agency, even if he intends on extending.

I’m a glutton for punishment and getting my hopes up.

But I think a millionaire guy who spends his days off watching Leafs highlights has an irrational love for the Leafs on a frequency I understand.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don't think his agent is going to want to sign until they know what the next year's cap will be. Even if he doesn't necessarily intend of pushing things to the max, he gave the team a haircut on the last deal and this one will be what sets his family up financially for the rest of their lives.

And 10+ years is a long time to spend in one place especially one with rough winters and where you don't necessarily have extended family around. I won't be surprised if his family/wife encourage him to at least see what else is out there, even if it's just to weigh the option between what ever that may be vs staying put

Then there's the X factor of getting a cup. Though I'm genuinely unsure of winning a cup this year (or next) helps or hurts his chances of staying. Could go either way depending on how you look at it

Didn't they announce the cap for the next few years already? I guess it is subject to change

I'm guessing we're gonna need to give him 15M x 7

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Given our lack of assets and the shortage of quality center options on the UFA market, I wonder if the Leafs try to be creative and sign a defenseman instead so they can move Carlo for a #2 center. He's gotta have a ton of value at his cap hit and control, but it would give us flexibility because if there are better defense options in UFA (e.g., Ekblad, Gavrikiv) then it's better to sign one of them and trade for a #2 center, than overpaying for mid talent. That's how you end up like the Blue Jays signing Santander after signing and missing on other options.

 

[Americanadian]

Given our lack of assets and the shortage of quality center options on the UFA market, I wonder if the Leafs try to be creative and sign a RD so they can move Carlo for a #2 center. He's gotta have a ton of value at his cap hit, but it would give us flexibility because if there are better defense options in UFA (e.g., Ekblad, Gavrikiv) then it's better to sign one of them and trade for a #2 center, than overpaying for mid talent. That's how you end up like the Blue Jays signing Santander after signing and missing on other options.

Do you have any options of teams who would give up a 2C for Carlo? Jonas and Mirtle speculated exactly this on the Leaf Report this week but couldn’t think of any real options.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Do you have any options of teams who would give up a 2C for Carlo? Jonas and Mirtle speculated exactly this on the Leaf Report this week but couldn’t think of any real options.

I’ve seen LA fans interested in Carlo.. if they want Byfield to take the next step as 1C and Kopitar as 2C. There is a world where they can move off of Danault. I don’t see it happening though, we paid a lot for Carlo and he fits well with us.

 

[Americanadian]

I’ve seen LA fans interested in Carlo.. if they want Byfield to take the next step as 1C and Kopitar as 2C. There is a world where they can move off of Danault. I don’t see it happening though, we paid a lot for Carlo and he fits well with us.

That’s a tough sell for me. Is Danault more valuable than Carlo given that contract? The Leafs have been deprived of RHD for decades and they finally have a 1/2 that they can rely on.

 

[SprDaVE]

Given our lack of assets and the shortage of quality center options on the UFA market, I wonder if the Leafs try to be creative and sign a defenseman instead so they can move Carlo for a #2 center. He's gotta have a ton of value at his cap hit and control, but it would give us flexibility because if there are better defense options in UFA (e.g., Ekblad, Gavrikiv) then it's better to sign one of them and trade for a #2 center, than overpaying for mid talent. That's how you end up like the Blue Jays signing Santander after signing and missing on other options.

They didn't go all in on Carlo just to then move off from him for someone else 3 months later. There are many ways to navigate the off-season in terms of adding talent.

I would definitely go hard after Fabbro though. I think he'd solidify that top 6 incredibly well.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Do you have any options of teams who would give up a 2C for Carlo? Jonas and Mirtle speculated exactly this on the Leaf Report this week but couldn’t think of any real options.

Not off the top of my head, but my thinking was if there's a contending team tight against the cap with depth at centre, but who desperately needs a top 4 RD that Carlo with his team control and cap hit would have a lot of value to them.

I'm more in the trade a 2nd rounder (Islanders fans say this is what they want) for Pageau. He can be a high end 3C who can match up well defensively against other teams top lines depending on his linemates.

 

[Stephen]

They didn't go all in on Carlo just to then move off from him for someone else 3 months later. There are many ways to navigate the off-season in terms of adding talent and keeping the defensive core.

I would definitely go hard after Fabbro though. I think he'd solidify that top 6 incredibly well and then you can eventually trade away OEL and/or Rielly over the next year or two.

I mean they could always cash him in for a futures package and just re-spend it to get another type of player. An agile organization shouldn’t be limited by anything.

 

[Stephen]

I wonder if reports of Bennett only wanting $7.5 milliiin could translate into a Marner return to the Leafs, plus Bennett but no Tavares.

 

[SprDaVE]

I mean they could always cash him in for a futures package and just re-spend it to get another type of player. An agile organization shouldn’t be limited by anything.

That's fair but again, they targetted Carlo as the guy to get for a long time (Trelivings words) and got him retained for a few years. He fit in well and fits in well moving forward. It makes no sense. I get it's just ideas and spitballing, but it doesn't make any sense.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

They didn't go all in on Carlo just to then move off from him for someone else. There are many ways to navigate the off-season in terms of adding talent and keeping the defensive core.

I would definitely go hard after Fabbro though. I think he'd solidify that top 6 incredibly well and then you can eventually trade away OEL and/or Rielly over the next year or two.

They went all in for Carlo because we had a need and we had to fill that need. Now we have a need for a 2C, and very few assets to get one. If we can't get that center in free agency but we can get a top 4 RD, then you sign the RD and trade from our position of depth to fill other holes. What we paid to get Carlo is irrelevant. That value merely transfers towards the quality of center we could get.

 

[SprDaVE]

They went all in for Carlo because we had a need and we had to fill that need. Now we have a need for a 2C, and very few assets to get one. If we can't get that center in free agency but we can get a top 4 RD, then you sign the RD and trade from our position of depth to fill other holes. What we paid to get Carlo is irrelevant. That value merely transfers towards the quality of center we could get.

Nobody in free agency fits anywhere near as cheap or as good as Carlo (under 4M RHD signed for 3 years). Fabbro is the only one that could remotely get close to that impact and Ekblad will be well over 8M, after that it's Perbix and DeAngelo and uh...

No idea how they'll upgrade their top 9 forwards, and that includes center, but I don't see how they trade Carlo after all those assets being used. I get the concept, but you might as well go after the available centers.

 

[Stephen]

That's fair but again, they targetted Carlo as the guy to get for a long time (Trelivings words) and got him retained for a few years. He fit in well and fits in well moving forward. It makes no sense. I get it's just ideas and spitballing, but it doesn't make any sense.

Well, if they got Aaron Ekblad in the $8 million range for number one or top four RHD and you needed to shift some money, or grab a puck mover, you might have an appetite to move off Carlo in a 2 step kind of trade. Let’s say for easy spitballing it’s Bowen Byram.

McCabe Tanev
Byram Ekblad
Rielly Ekman-Larsson
Benoit

For example… he wouldn’t be the first and most obvious guy to move but if “everything’s on the table” and you need a rebalance of the top 6. Not impossible. On merit Rielly probably gets voted off first. OEL is long in the tooth and would be more obvious.

 

[SprDaVE]

Well, if they got Aaron Ekblad in the $8 million range for number one or top four RHD and you needed to shift some money, or grab a puck mover, you might have an appetite to move off Carlo in a 2 step kind of trade. Let’s say for easy spitballing it’s Bowen Byram.

McCabe Tanev
Byram Ekblad
Rielly Ekman-Larsson
Benoit

For example… he wouldn’t be the first and most obvious guy to move but if “everything’s on the table” and you need a rebalance of the top 6. Not impossible. On merit Rielly probably gets voted off first. OEL is long in the tooth and would be more obvious.

There's a lot of possibilities but I think Carlo is someone they targetted and they want to keep. Only way they punt him after spending tons of time and assets getting him is if he wants out already. There are many other moves they'll likely do to get to where they want to be, and a lot of that will be just signing players and hoping for the best. But sure, it's fun to think about. If only Treliving had the same level of creativity.