Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[RoadWarrior]

Both Lindell and Harley on their wrong side are better than Carlo. Slide one over before you make a horrible trade.



It’s not even like Carlo + is a reasonable offer. Carlo would be the secondary piece in a trade for Harley.

Think Knies+Carlo for Harley.

Trading Knies would be imbecilic.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Is that really his name?

Says it's AI generated and the thing gets a ton of leagues wrong

So basically we still have a few more years until Skynet destroys us all

 

[RoadWarrior]

I also think Jeannot would be an ideal 4th liner, but we can't pay him a premium. What is he worth providing 5-10 goals and elite physicality? I might pay a little over 2 million, but that's going to take away from either the 2nd or 3rd line winger money. Hmm.

Jeannot is a plug. Stay away. The Ryan Reaves experiment was a failure.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Would if they're willing to take back Jarnkrok or Kampf to make up for his 4.5m price tag. Toss in Nick Robertson.

Marchment @ 1yr/$4,500,000
Nick Robertson RFA
for
McMann @ 1yr/$1,350,000
Jarnkrok @ 1yr/$2,100,000 or Kampf @ 2yr/$2,400,000
$3,450,000 or $3,750,000

Lorentz-Laughton-Marchment

Marchments playoff totals aren't anything to write home about either.

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The leafs traded him because of his plodding skating stride. They needed some of his grit but Dubas like the dipsy doodlers.

 

[LeafChief]

Jeannot is a plug. Stay away. The Ryan Reaves experiment was a failure.

Not even close to being similar players/situations.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Not even close to being similar players/situations.

Name a significant playoff moment where Tanner Jeannot made a huge difference. There are none. Paying this guy $2M plus when you are already paying Kampf and Jarnkrok excess dollars is just dumb.

 

[Tony Romo]

I was a pretty big fan of Lorentz this year even though he didn't score in the playoffs, going to be hard to convince me that we should be spending 2m+ on a 4th line winger. When I don't think it would be that much of an upgrade over Lorentz who made 775k this past season.

 

[Legion34]

They couldn't rest players at the end of the year and had to play short handed because of injuries. They couldn't even activate Pacioretty and Kampf before the playoffs. Bad contracts add up even if they are short term or not overly expensive.

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At the cap hit now, maybe, but he was awful for us even when he played anyway and he was over 4M at the time. He also had some really bad looks for Edmonton too.

He could have been a sheltered. Puck moving ppqb. But it’s not too be.

 

[thusk]

They couldn't rest players at the end of the year and had to play short handed because of injuries. They couldn't even activate Pacioretty and Kampf before the playoffs. Bad contracts add up even if they are short term or not overly expensive.

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At the cap hit now, maybe, but he was awful for us even when he played anyway and he was over 4M at the time. He also had some really bad looks for Edmonton too.

He played 3 healthy game with leafs... I don't know how you can say he had been awful when he's basically never played really healthy in a team...

 

[Dreakmur]

PHHe does PK though. He played well on the PK in Chicago (just looking at the numbers). Sure he doesn't fight and his hit totals aren't high.

He PK'd one season for a terrible team. He hasn't done it since.

Ultimately if you have a line with Jeannot and Laughton you don't want a 3rd wheel that has no offensive or transition ability or else they'll be stuck in their own end all game.

Jeannot has actually scored more goals than Raddysh over the last 2 seasons....

 

[SprDaVE]

He played 3 healthy game with leafs... I don't know how you can say he had been awful when he's basically never played really healthy in a team...

exactly, being healthy is part of the equation of being good

 

[Dreakmur]

I'm pro giving Knies 8m, but hypothetically speaking. If you do the bridge at 5x3 for Knies. Get rid of Kampf/Jarnkrok

That gives you 13m.

I got rid of those two anyway.... but bridging Knies would mean you can spend an extra 3 million on a winger.

Theoretically you could try acquire a Kreider (6.5m) for LW2 or give Marchand 6.5m-7m for LW2.

Would give you 6m for RW3, LW4, RW4. Could be more if somehow Cowan makes a huge jump and can take RW3.

I fooled around with puckpedia and I have this currently.

Knies (5m) - Matthews (13.4m) - Domi (3.75m)
Kreider (6.5m)/Marchand (7m) - Pageau (5m) - Nylander (11.5m)
Marchment (4.5m) - Tavares (5m) - FA/Cowan/Trade
Laughton/FA/Trade - Laughton/FA - FA

You would have 6m to fill the two winger spots on the 4th line and the 3rd line if Cowan can't play that spot this year.

I really wouldn't have Cowan in the lineup this year. There's not reason to take a year of AHL development away from him.

My preference would be Connor Brown alongside Marchment and Tavares. He's a good digger, and brings the speed and defensive prowess they'll need.

 

[LeafEgo]

Same D, Same G - barring an unlikely Rielly upgrade - and build lines around:

L1: Matty
L2: Willy
L3: JT
L4: Lotty

Each of those players is superior to their line and should win their minutes with the right mix.

Knies, Domi, and McMann should stay. Lorentz can stay if cheap and needed.

Might want to think about getting two centers with the bulk of the monies for two of the top six spots.

 

[thusk]

exactly, being healthy is part of the equation of being good

I probably able to count in one hand the number of D who's able to be good with kind of injury who unable you to move your body in the right position... The reality is he still try to play despite the pain when he should stay out.

 

[SprDaVE]

I probably able to count in one hand the number of D who's able to be good with kind of injury who unable you to move your body in the right position... The reality is he still try to play despite the pain when he should stay out.

exactly... so a broken player and a bad signing. If it worked out, great, but it didn't. If you sign a broken player and he doesn't play because of an injury, it's a bad signing.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[SprDaVE]

Such a weird request, but I guess it makes sense if you're trying to push for a trade to a Florida team or Texas, or maybe back to Vegas. He'd be a good target for the Leafs.

 

[Dreakmur]

Trading Knies would be imbecilic.

Wasn’t suggesting that. I was showing what Dallas would want in return for Harley.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

That seems new.

 

[Americanadian]

Darren Raddysh was dropped out of his spot alongside Hedman this season in favor or JJ Moser. Tampa needs wingers for the Nick Paul line. McMann for Raddysh could make sense for both teams. Both pending UFAs, both on cheap contracts for this season. Both will be 29 next season.

Raddysh fits the bill as a puck moving 3RD to play with OEL. He's put up 70 points the last two seasons.

McMann seems like a JBB guy.

 

[Gaberd2608]

Knies. Matthews. Kane
Ehlers. Karlsson. Nylander
Marchand. Laughton. Domi
Lorentz. Toews. Tanev

McCabe. Tanev
Provorov. Carlo
Benoit. Oel

Stolarz
Will

f*** the cap....let's go boys....

 

[thewave]

That seems new.

So new we have only been bringing in old guys with big names and accomplish nothing for like 50 years.

Leafs are very cutting edge

 

[weems]

I think the timeline of our playing style makes sense.

Started extremely weighted to the speed/skill side, then after not achieving desired outcome, went more towards size, physicality, intangibles.

I think the shift was justified but now we have to make sure you don't go too far and over correct.

We need to add some speed back into the lineup, whether its a C, lower depth players or on D.

 

[thewave]

I think the timeline of our playing style makes sense.

Started extremely weighted to the speed/skill side, then after not achieving desired outcome, went more towards size, physicality, intangibles.

I think the shift was justified but now we have to make sure you don't go too far and over correct.

We need to add some speed back into the lineup, whether its a C, lower depth players or on D.

They have done the same stupid dance for 20 years or more. I wrote threads about this over a decade ago.

Ron and gun Wilson with Burke. They did a half retool there it was a basketcase team half truculence half wuss . I was screaming for them to put together a team system or style they stick to like the successful Red Wings and later TB supposedly thats what Shanahan was to do. Instead we got new hockey, found out it was dumb hockey.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

So new we have only been bringing in old guys with big names and accomplish nothing for like 50 years.

Leafs are very cutting edge

are your best years behind you?
are you from the GTA?
come on down and get injured or perform like the 4th liner you now are.