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If this team once again fails to proceed very far in the playoffs, what would you want them to do?

  • Do nothing, run it back

    Votes: 16 9.0%

  • Make changes to the offense, top 6 forward, better bottom six, but keep the core

    Votes: 10 5.6%

  • Make changes to the offense, including moving core players

    Votes: 71 39.9%

  • Make changes to the defense

    Votes: 11 6.2%

  • Do a retool, including moving core players

    Votes: 86 48.3%

  • Ban the guy who keeps making jinx prediction posts.

    Votes: 22 12.4%
  • Total voters
    178
Stephen said:
Why would a 26 year old not improve over time with more development?
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I think Benoit is limited in his potential. WhT you see is what you get from him. If his contracted ended this year he would get paid more than I feel he is worth. Coming off of a good season and having a good contract for 2 more years is why I think he’s at his highest value.
 
Another name Im gonna throw out there thats going to be linked to the Leafs soon...Brent Burns.

All this talk about signing Vets to short term deals to preserve cap-space for next off-season, all we hear is Marchand, Benn, Giroux, etc...

Brent Burns fits the bill of short term deal on low AAV and being the "Puck Mover" that Tre talked about adding. He's also "big" and has "size", which both Tre and Berube likes.

Trade Benoit + Holmberg for a forward upgrade?
 
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Apex Predator said:
I think Benoit is limited in his potential. WhT you see is what you get from him. If his contracted ended this year he would get paid more than I feel he is worth. Coming off of a good season and having a good contract for 2 more years is why I think he’s at his highest value.
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Not a fan of trading Benoit. For a 5-6 guy what more could you ask for. He adds so much value
 
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Americanadian said:
Even is he gets marginally better next year, he’s just one year closer to getting a 2-3x pay bump in UFA. Part of his value is the contract.
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What a load of nonsense.

So we have to sell high on a cheap player who won't improve despite his age despite showing year to year improvement to even be here.

What's the market value on a marginal player who is dumped on a technical high?

Why would a player who isn't improving get a triple multiplier raise to $4.5 million in a couple of years.
 
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OVO16 said:
Another name Im gonna throw out there thats going to be linked to the Leafs soon...Brent Burns.

All this talk about signing Vets to short term deals to preserve cap-space for next off-season, all we hear is Marchand, Benn, Giroux, etc...

Brent Burns fits the bill of short term deal on low AAV and being the "Puck Mover" that Tre talked about adding. He's also "big" and has "size", which both Tre and Berube likes.

Trade Benoit + Holmberg for a forward upgrade?
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as a former Brampton Battalion season ticket holder I'd love to see Burns here, hell try him on the wing, that's where he started his career. Red Kelly 2.0..........
 
The Shadow said:
Not a fan of trading Benoit. For a 5-6 guy what more could you ask for. He adds so much value
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yup, beats Mo filling out the 3rd D pairing at 7.5. Benny's fine on the 3rd pairing, Mo and his salary are the problem on the back end that needs addressing..............
 
Stephen said:
What a load of nonsense.

So we have to sell high on a cheap player who won't improve despite his age despite showing year to year improvement to even be here.

What's the market value on a marginal player who is dumped on a technical high?

Why would a player who isn't improving get a triple multiplier raise to $4.5 million in a couple of years.
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Who says he isn’t improving? I quite literally said if he improves he could could get 2-3x which would be 2.7-4M. He could be better today than Edmundson was last year and he got 3.8M.
 
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Americanadian said:
Completely agree here although Hakanpaa and Klingberg on LTIR and Reaves costing the Leafs 200k against the cap are hardly an issue compared to the contracts across the league that actually handicap teams.

The Kampf contract is brutal but they can likely move off him this summer without attaching an asset.

Who have these players blocked from making the Leafs? Steeves got his chances, Robertson got his chances.
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They couldn't rest players at the end of the year and had to play short handed because of injuries. They couldn't even activate Pacioretty and Kampf before the playoffs. Bad contracts add up even if they are short term or not overly expensive.

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Kurtz said:
Seeing Klingberg log 19 min/night for Edmonton right now, I'm starting to think that that was actually quite a clever signing with bad injury luck.
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At the cap hit now, maybe, but he was awful for us even when he played anyway and he was over 4M at the time. He also had some really bad looks for Edmonton too.
 
SprDaVE said:
They couldn't rest players at the end of the year and had to play short handed because of injuries. They couldn't even activate Pacioretty and Kampf before the playoffs. Bad contracts add up, especially when you already have 100k of dead cap space for a player they had to take for the Liljegren trade.
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The 300k from Benning+Reaves and having Hakanpaa on LTIR is not why they couldn’t activate Pacioretty. They were pressed up against the cap with their roster players.

Don’t get me wrong - I think Tre is bottom 5 GM in the league. I also think his UFA track record in the last 5 years is pretty good.
 
Americanadian said:
The 300k from Benning+Reaves and having Hakanpaa on LTIR is not why they couldn’t activate Pacioretty. They were pressed up against the cap with their roster players.
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Because they didn't accrue cap space and had some dead cap space and LTIR for useless players, they couldn't efficiently add players. They had to pay more assets for retention. It very much plays into it.

The whole point here is, obviously, adding good fits whether they are short or long-term and less about getting broken players that could get up there. Treliving has been OK at it in recent years, mostly keeping his mistakes on short-term deals except for Reaves, but all that can change with 1 bad off-season because he has a lot of cap space to spend.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Because they didn't accrue cap space and had some dead cap space and LTIR for useless players, they couldn't efficiently add players. They had to pay more assets for retention. It very much plays into it.
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After they traded Liljegren they were under the cap with a 21 man roster but insisted on running a 23 man roster which is why they couldn’t accrue cap space. It was poor roster management but Hakanpaa isn’t the sole reason.

The retention was also for multiple seasons.
SprDaVE said:
The whole point here is, obviously, adding good fits whether they are short or long-term. Treliving has been OK at it in recent years, mostly keeping his mistakes on short-term deals except for Reaves, but all that can change with 1 bad off-season because he has a lot of cap space to spend.
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Relative to other GMs I actually trust Tre to navigate this scenario.
 
Americanadian said:
After they traded Liljegren they were under the cap with a 21 man roster but insisted on running a 23 man roster which is why they couldn’t accrue cap space. It was poor roster management but Hakanpaa isn’t the sole reason.

The retention was also for multiple seasons.

Relative to other GMs I actually trust Tre to navigate this scenario.
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The season before they had to pay a bunch of extra picks to get Lyubushkin double retained. Same for Edmundson. Both rentals. A price to pay when you're tight to cap and he got it done.

We'll see how he does. It's a month away so plenty of time to see how things look by then. I just hope they stay away from old broken players again.
 
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SprDaVE said:
The season before they had to pay a bunch of extra picks to get Lyubushkin double retained. Same for Edmundson. Both rentals. A price to pay when you're tight to cap and he got it done.

We'll see how he does. It's a month away so plenty of time to see how things look by then. I just hope they stay away from old broken players again.
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His recent trading is putrid. That’s why I think he’s a bottom 5 GM.
 
Americanadian said:
Who says he isn’t improving? I quite literally said if he improves he could could get 2-3x which would be 2.7-4M. He could be better today than Edmundson was last year and he got 3.8M.
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So if he’s improving to a Jake McCabe level defenseman at $4.5 million, we have to trade him before he gets there? Might be selling high but not the right kind.
 
Stephen said:
So if he’s improving to a Jake McCabe level defenseman at $4.5 million, we have to trade him before he gets there? Might be selling high but not the right kind.
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I’m also not saying he’ll be there. I think his ceiling is current Joel Edmundson which I said in the post you replied to.

Do you think it’s far fetched to suggest current Benoit could get 3.5M (2-3X 1.35M) as a UFA under a 115M cap? For reference that’s 2.9M under a 95.5M cap. For further reference that’s 70% of the cap % that Edmundson just signed for.
 
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Americanadian said:
Even is he gets marginally better next year, he’s just one year closer to getting a 2-3x pay bump in UFA. Part of his value is the contract.
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This also applies to Bobby McMann. The strategy with both players should be to gauge their willingness to sign team friendly deals, or trade them for more expensive but better players.

Something like:
McMann for Marchment
McMann + Benoit for Kreider + Miller (this move would open a lot of capspace for New York)
 
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