Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[WTFMAN99]

Tkachuk wasn't in the same situation.
Guentzel signed for 7 years but that situation could be seen as similar, I don't know his story and I don't think he provided Carolina a list.

Tkachuk wanted out and would only play in certain places but he was an RFA but everyone knew he wasn't going back to Calgary

You're right, my memory is garbage apparently with the Carolina situation and Guentzel.

Carolina got a 3rd for his rights, that's it. Getting an 8th year and maybe lowering the cap hit or Marner getting his extra money is definitely worth something from a team like say Las Vegas

So the Leafs would need to officially sign him to a contract and then immediately trade him.

 

[Weltschmerz]

A similar but different situation is Tkachuk and Guentzel.

Tkachuk was RFA but there was a list of team's he'd be willing to extend with and Calgary was able to sign him to an 8 year deal so basically it was a sign and trade.

Carolina wasn't able to extend Guentzel but Guentzel was willing to extend in Tampa so they got a 3rd round pick by trading Guentzel there before he officially hit UFA, securing him the 8th year.

Same idea for the Leafs/Marner - what are the preliminary places that you'd be willing to extend in? If we get a trade offer for your rights from 1-2 places, would you sign off on it?

Guentzel signed for 7 years.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Guentzel signed for 7 years.

Yep, AC corrected me.

 

[mydnyte]

A similar but different situation is Tkachuk and Guentzel.

Tkachuk was RFA but there was a list of team's he'd be willing to extend with and Calgary was able to sign him to an 8 year deal so basically it was a sign and trade.

Carolina wasn't able to extend Guentzel but Guentzel was willing to extend in Tampa so they got a 3rd round pick by trading Guentzel there before he officially hit UFA, securing him the 8th year.

Same idea for the Leafs/Marner - what are the preliminary places that you'd be willing to extend in? If we get a trade offer for your rights from 1-2 places, would you sign off on it?

with Marner, our best scenario is a team (in the other conference) wants him, ala Vegas/Colorado etc BUT, cannot afford him without shedding an existing contract. Landeskog coming back puts Col in a much rougher situation and they may be open to a Colton for Marner's right swap, I'd think a sign and trade would Up Marner's value
for Vegas folks have mentioned Karlsson, BUT, Pietro seems to be a guy most fans want to unload, and he'd easily be our #1D and can make it much easier to ask Rielly to waive too.

 

[Americanadian]

I think we’ve become so fixated on we need 3 LHD and 3 RHD or it will never work. We have two RHD in Carlo and Tanev, if one plays their off-side, as long as it’s played effectively (McCabe), who cares?

All 6 defenseman on Toronto play significantly better on their natural side. Toronto is in a position for the first time in the Matthews era where they have a good 1/2RD. Now they only need to fill 3RD which is the easiest to fill.

You look at Florida, they only have 2 RHD and are doing just fine.

The difference is Florida is paying the one guy playing his off side 1.15M, not 3.5M. If Kulikov plays at 80% effectiveness it isn’t a big deal. If OEL plays at 80% effectiveness it’s a bigger deal.

 

[WTFMAN99]

with Marner, our best scenario is a team (in the other conference) wants him, ala Vegas/Colorado etc BUT, cannot afford him without shedding an existing contract. Landeskog coming back puts Col in a much rougher situation and they may be open to a Colton for Marner's right swap, I'd think a sign and trade would Up Marner's value
for Vegas folks have mentioned Karlsson, BUT, Pietro seems to be a guy most fans want to unload, and he'd easily be our #1D and can make it much easier to ask Rielly to waive too.

Pietrangelo seems like a big ask for a guy they could just wait a bit to sign.

I'd also need a ton of assurance we're moving Morgan Rielly.

WIlliam Karlsson is an easier fit to see.

 

[Pebble live]

with Marner, our best scenario is a team (in the other conference) wants him, ala Vegas/Colorado etc BUT, cannot afford him without shedding an existing contract. Landeskog coming back puts Col in a much rougher situation and they may be open to a Colton for Marner's right swap, I'd think a sign and trade would Up Marner's value
for Vegas folks have mentioned Karlsson, BUT, Pietro seems to be a guy most fans want to unload, and he'd easily be our #1D and can make it much easier to ask Rielly to waive too.

If anyone watched the Vegas serious they would see Pietrangelo has lost a significant step. He had a 33 point season but he looked slow and unable to keep up. If the team had to get something back for Marner and he was the only option then I guess, but he's not going to move the needle.

 

[Americanadian]

If we move off of Rielly, we need a GOOD puck moving guy, and maybe a good PP QB. (Hopefully the same person).

The group you've got, just isn't good enough at moving the puck, we saw some of that in the playoffs.

I think we need to target someone a little higher up than a third pairing guy.

Who do you have in mind? They probably go back to a 4F1D PP1.

Justin Barron is probably my #1 choice. Good size and speed, put up very impressive underlying numbers in Nashville this year. He had spurts as a PP2 guy in Montreal before Hutson arrived and he lost PP time.

He has real breakout potential.

 

[Legion34]

How will he know which teams he'd like to sign with and what they're offering if he's never spoken to them?

Because you ask where he would like to sign. And see if there is a fit.

This isn’t hard. Players know where they want to go.

It’s pretty easy and clear how it works. The same way it has worked with every player who gets traded and extended

 

[ULF_55]

It's a very loose rumour from Pagnotta, who throws a lot of stuff at the wall with a lot of names.

It kind of makes sense based on need and the cap space we have. He's a playoff performer and he scores goals. He a prick on the ice. If the Rangers dump him for next to nothing to open up cap space and change things, maybe it makes sense. I don't think he's someone I'd expect the Leafs to be chasing too much.

Can someone get Pagnotta to throw out an Alex Tuch to Toronto?

 

[Maple Leaf]

 

[ULF_55]

Tkachuk wasn't in the same situation.
Guentzel signed for 7 years but that situation could be seen as similar, I don't know his story and I don't think he provided Carolina a list.

Tanev scenario ...

"Toronto Maple Leafs have acquired the rights to defenceman Chris Tanev from the Dallas Stars in exchange for Max Ellis and a 2026 seventh-round pick."

 

[Legion34]

Tanev scenario ...

"Toronto Maple Leafs have acquired the rights to defenceman Chris Tanev from the Dallas Stars in exchange for Max Ellis and a 2026 seventh-round pick."

But that’s not the 8th year. Not the same

 

[ULF_55]

But that’s not the 8th year. Not the same

No, but it is trading for the rights of a player going into UFA status.

And they gave up a whatever/whocares prospect and a 7th. round pick for Tanev.

Going off that scenario, just trading his rights to a team should garner more than that without the 8th. year.

Do players really want the 8th. year, when the Cap is supposed to increase $20mm in the next 4 or so years? Matthews wanted a shorter term to maximize his return.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Who do you have in mind? They probably go back to a 4F1D PP1.

Justin Barron is probably my #1 choice. Good size and speed, put up very impressive underlying numbers in Nashville this year. He had spurts as a PP2 guy in Montreal before Hutson arrived and he lost PP time.

He has real breakout potential.

Who/what are you offering?

 

[Legion34]

No, but it is trading for the rights of a player going into UFA status.

And they gave up a whatever/whocares prospect and a 7th. round pick for Tanev.

Going off that scenario, just trading his rights to a team should garner more than that without the 8th. year.

Do players really want the 8th. year, when the Cap is supposed to increase $20mm in the next 4 or so years? Matthews wanted a shorter term to maximize his return.

Guentzel got a 3rd in the same year.

 

[ACC1224]

Tanev scenario ...

"Toronto Maple Leafs have acquired the rights to defenceman Chris Tanev from the Dallas Stars in exchange for Max Ellis and a 2026 seventh-round pick."

Yep although with Taney coming home he was already aware of the city

 

[ryno23]

Bolded is just dumb.

I know a few families connected to the Marners thru hockey and they know for a fact Paul Marner is all about Mitch being the highest paid person in the NHL.

Again I am just relaying what I hear from people I know in the hockey world who don't have an axe to grind against the Marner camp but know I am a Leafs fans and tell me things lol

Paul Marner was and is very jealous of McDavid growing up in the GTHL and that is a story that has been told by many in the GTHL community. Paul feels his kid didn't get enough attention compared to McJesus

 

[Pinkcat]

with Marner, our best scenario is a team (in the other conference) wants him, ala Vegas/Colorado etc BUT, cannot afford him without shedding an existing contract. Landeskog coming back puts Col in a much rougher situation and they may be open to a Colton for Marner's right swap, I'd think a sign and trade would Up Marner's value
for Vegas folks have mentioned Karlsson, BUT, Pietro seems to be a guy most fans want to unload, and he'd easily be our #1D and can make it much easier to ask Rielly to waive too.

Just a question but can the Leafs do a sign and trade and pay the first signing bonus to up the value of the piece coming back?

 

[mydnyte]

Just a question but can the Leafs do a sign and trade and pay the first signing bonus to up the value of the piece coming back?

Only off he signed now, and bonus was July 1st for example

 

[Americanadian]

Who/what are you offering?

If you can get Kreider for Rielly I’d move McMann for Barron.

 

[jaric1862]

Pagnotta links us to Kreider (take it with a grain of salt).

Seems like a Berube player. You worry about his age.

 

[Legion34]

Just a question but can the Leafs do a sign and trade and pay the first signing bonus to up the value of the piece coming back?

In theory yes. Sign him June 30. Pay the bonus July 1 and then trade

 

[Menzinger]

Robertson has earned a permanent spot, let's see what we have

I don't think he's going to sign an extension. Expect to hear about another trade request before the draft

 

[Menzinger]

One young Center who may be up for grabs (mentioned a few times on this thread) is Rossi from the Wild. Lots of rumours that they're shopping him.

Would people give up Cowan for Rossi?

My first reaction is "no". I won't lie - it's because of Rossi being 5'9. However, when you really look into Rossi's profile in more detail you find a very well balanced 2C with both offensive and defensive skills. He just got 60 points at age 23. He battles very hard for pucks and his face-off win percentage keeps improving (around 47%). I also read that he's very committed to getting better. He was pissed off that people kept underestimating him because of his size so he spent 2 summers improving his strength and skills and even missed his sister's wedding in Europe to keep training (lol). His projected cap hit for the next few years is 5-6million. Very fair.

I dunno, I think this guy may turn into something really good. Let's not forget that guys like Kane and Crosby are not much taller than him. It sounds like he has the drive to be a great playoff performer in the future. Can't see us being a candidate for him though without giving up Cowan.

I probably would, but the Wild likely want more/something different than a prospect for him. They're trying to win asap