Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[TheGreenTBer]

I don't see how anyone who is watching this fla carolina series can not be having some doubts about making big changes to this team. This is coming from someone who was all aboard not only the make big changes train but do a complete rebuild train just a week ago.

I was under the impression that you have to beat teams other than Carolina to win the Stanley Cup. I guess not

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I don't see how anyone who is watching this fla carolina series can not be having some doubts about making big changes to this team. This is coming from someone who was all aboard not only the make big changes train but do a complete rebuild train just a week ago.

It's a logical fallacy that because the Leafs apparently performed better against Florida than the Hurricanes are that Toronto would cakewalk Carolina.

All the results prove is that Florida is a better team than either Toronto or Carolina. Extrapolating anything beyond that is a speculative reach. Until they get to the Conference Finals we could never know how the Leafs would do against a Metro team in a seven game series.

My guess is they wouldn't sweep them like Florida is doing though.

 

[BallardEra]

Guys, it could be a lot worse!:

 

[jaric1862]

A guy that i haven't seen brought up a lot is Patrick Kane. His states are still good - I wouldn't mind him riding shotgun with Matthews.

 

[jaric1862]

With Marner’s contract off the books, the Leafs should have room to make one major addition (around $9M — think Bennett or Ehlers) and one mid-tier signing (around $4M — names like Kane, Giroux, or Benn come to mind)

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Do you guys think we should pursue one or both of Granlund and Duchene? I could see them both signing deals similar to Giroux’s, maybe even $1M less.

 

[Avilaj07]

Knies-Matthews-Granlund
Marchand-Karlsson-Nylander
Domi-Tavares-Mangiapane
Lorentz-Laughton-Tanev

Forwards out- Marner, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Robertson, Mcmann

Forwards in- Granlund, Marchand, Karlsson, Mangiapane, Tanev

McCabe-Tanev
Provorov-Andersson
Benoit-Fabbro
Myers

Defensemen in- Provorov, Andersson,Fabbro

Defensemen out- Rielly, Carlo, OEL

 

[ULF_55]

I don't see how anyone who is watching this fla carolina series can not be having some doubts about making big changes to this team. This is coming from someone who was all aboard not only the make big changes train but do a complete rebuild train just a week ago.

While many have commented negatively, about this take, I'm warm to this position.

Where did Berube place most of the blame? On the structure breakdowns, and that included every player. Not being hard enough defensively by some stars. Not playing a mature responsible game by some stars. (We know who these two comments apply to without researching it because one was a series highlight played over and over.)

Add to this, Matthews health. At least we hope that's a reason, and not just an excuse. If this was an excuse for his performance, then he's not the player who should be wearing the" C". But odds are it is health, and the hope is it isn't chronic, but correctible, and he suggested over the summer he can return to health.

With another year of learning how to play Berube's game, do the current issues become less? Does the structure hold up better under pressure?

Does the tutelage that Cowan has been provided, the changes the Leafs' staff has directed him to work on enable him to fit into a better structured and ingrained line-up?

With marner leaving, it does require a talent acquisition in the summer. Be it free agency, or some magic beans trade it doesn't have to be another "marner", maybe it is less highlight, and more structure, more north-south, more hate-to-lose attitude?

So, perhaps they are like the rear view mirror, closer than they appear. However, it isn't going to be the same line-up, so we're probably talking historically here.

 

[SprDaVE]

Do you guys think we should pursue one or both of Granlund and Duchene? I could see them both signing deals similar to Giroux’s, maybe even $1M less.

Mild interest in Granlund, close to zero for Duchene unless he takes a "home town discount" but he won't.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Knies-Matthews-Granlund
Marchand-Karlsson-Nylander
Domi-Tavares-Mangiapane
Lorentz-Laughton-Tanev

Forwards out- Marner, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Robertson, Mcmann

Forwards in- Granlund, Marchand, Karlsson, Mangiapane, Tanev

McCabe-Tanev
Provorov-Andersson
Benoit-Fabbro
Myers

Defensemen in- Provorov, Andersson,Fabbro

Defensemen out- Rielly, Carlo, OEL

I'd be happy with that forward group, but everything would have to go our way to get that particular group of players. Not impossible, but it would be slow-clap worthy GM-ing.

The D - I feel there's too much change for a pretty well-functioning D group. Personally, I'd just trade Rielly and bring in one of those 3 you've mentioned.

 

[Magic Man]

Kampf and Robertson were our two most valuable players that were scratched most of the playoffs. I believe they will be the first to go this summer.

Berube doesn't like Kampf, he prefers Holmberg. Kampf is owed 3.475M over 2 years after his signing bonus on July 1st. Which is 1.75M per year, which is a fair price for Kampf, especially next to free agent contracts.

Robertson has arbitration rights this summer and could help return some draft capital to replace some of what they have traded away.

 

[The Shadow]

Knies-Matthews-Granlund
Marchand-Karlsson-Nylander
Domi-Tavares-Mangiapane
Lorentz-Laughton-Tanev

Forwards out- Marner, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Robertson, Mcmann

Forwards in- Granlund, Marchand, Karlsson, Mangiapane, Tanev

McCabe-Tanev
Provorov-Andersson
Benoit-Fabbro
Myers

Defensemen in- Provorov, Andersson,Fabbro

Defensemen out- Rielly, Carlo, OEL

Where is Holmberg in your scenario?

I don’t think Marchand would ever come to Toronto. His bruins legacy would be tarnished after that. He won’t do it.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Wonder if Tanner Jeannot would be somebody Tre goes after for our bottom six.

 

[ULF_55]

Wonder if Tanner Jeannot would be somebody Tre goes after for our bottom six.

What would you offer a 7 goal scoring 3rd.-4th. liner?

How in the world did he once become David Clarkson?

Wonder if he'd go back to Nashville on a minimum deal?

 

[Namikaze Minato]

What would you offer a 7 goal scoring 3rd.-4th. liner?

How in the world did he once become David Clarkson?

Wonder if he'd go back to Nashville on a minimum deal?

I think a guy like that, at 27 years old is certainly worth the 'risk' of a $1.5ish contract. I dont think anyone would expect a 40 point season out of him but even then, thats about a million less than under 10 goal David Kampf makes....

 

[ULF_55]

I think a guy like that, at 27 years old is certainly worth the 'risk' of a $1.5ish contract. I dont think anyone would expect a 40 point season out of him but even then, thats about a million less than under 10 goal David Kampf makes....

His ice time indicates he had one fluke season, and I'm not sure what he'd do to help with the Leafs scoring issues?

If he could be more useful than Reaves it might make sense.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

His ice time indicates he had one fluke season, and I'm not sure what he'd do to help with the Leafs scoring issues?

If he could be more useful than Reaves it might make sense.

Were you having a conversation with somebody else you are attributing to me? I didnt say anything about his one season other than not to expect it.

I didnt say he would solve our scoring issues.

I wondered if Tre would be interested in him for our bottom six, that's it.

 

[ULF_55]

Were you having a conversation with somebody else you are attributing to me? I didnt say anything about his one season other than not to expect it.

I didnt say he would solve our scoring issues.

I wondered if Tre would be interested in him for our bottom six, that's it.

No you didn't, but how valuable of a bottom 3 player is he?
We both agree then, you throw out his fluke season as irrelevant.

So, if he could replace someone like Reaves then it makes sense.
3rd.-4th. line wingers who don't PK/PP aren't hard to find.

Why not give some Marlies' players that ice time for a change?

But no problem if he's replacing a Reaves, hopefully a younger hungrier body.

 

[Buds17]

I don't see how anyone who is watching this fla carolina series can not be having some doubts about making big changes to this team. This is coming from someone who was all aboard not only the make big changes train but do a complete rebuild train just a week ago.

Yes and no. Carolina potentially getting swept by Florida would still be a step greater than Toronto's fate was (ECF loss > 2nd Round loss). I don't necessarily need to see sweeping or wholesale changes as a response though (and certainly not if those changes aren't going to be a better way of investing cap or improving the team).

 

[Namikaze Minato]

No you didn't, but how valuable of a bottom 3 player is he?
We both agree then, you throw out his fluke season as irrelevant.

So, if he could replace someone like Reaves then it makes sense.
3rd.-4th. line wingers who don't PK/PP aren't hard to find.

Why not give some Marlies' players that ice time for a change?

But no problem if he's replacing a Reaves, hopefully a younger hungrier body.

So do you think Tre would be interested in Tanner Jeannot for the bottom six?

 

[ULF_55]

So do you think Tre would be interested in Tanner Jeannot for the bottom six?

No.

Maybe for the 4th. line.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Do you guys think we should pursue one or both of Granlund and Duchene? I could see them both signing deals similar to Giroux’s, maybe even $1M less.

I think Granlund is best suited on the wing like he's playing now with Hintz and Rantanen, so he could be an option for Matthews.

Depends on $ and term,

Duchene has always been intriguing, but I just think he's not interested in playing in Canada. Also, I don't know if he would be the best fit with Nylander, presumably.

 

[rumman]

Guys, it could be a lot worse!:

Thanks for the trip down memory lane, man I loved going to the Gardens, hockey, lacrosse, wrestling, concerts. I even got to skate there twice with the Whipper Billy Watson’s skateathon…….

 

[rumman]

A guy that i haven't seen brought up a lot is Patrick Kane. His states are still good - I wouldn't mind him riding shotgun with Matthews.

Get Johnathan Toews to come along, mught be able to fill the number 2 C position?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Dream scenario is replacing Rielly with Byram. Get younger and faster on the backend. Too bad Mo has an NMC and Byram will probably cost a lot.