Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Rare Jewel]

If we are forced to take salary back to do Vegas and Marner a solid, we better as shit get something better than Hague.

I think Hague is actually a good player in the right circumstances.

I personally don't think that here.

If you were to move McCabe and Carlo though and then get some people that can really move the puck and create, then I think he would fit.

But as it stands, it's too much of the same thing for this core IMHO.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Not likely. Sure, he’s a bit high maintenance, but he’s a big two way center that produces in the playoffs… for 8.5 million.

He's extremely high maintainance and Rangers fans hate him with a passion.

He'd be low on the priority list for me personally.

 

[SprDaVE]

Actually, now that I think about it... a line of Ehlers, Karlsson and Nylander would give teams absolute fits trying to match up to that speed.

Knies and McMann are up there in skating speed I think, at least the latter.

I'm a sucker for speed. It's clearly not everything but I would be very interested in just targetting that a lot more. Especially on the backend where it's very slow... I think Benoit has been our fastest skater there.

And then put a Tanev and maybe Jeannot down the lines, and I think the skating speed of this team is widely upgraded to be able to forecheck better.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I think Hague is actually a good player in the right circumstances.

I personally don't think that here.

If you were to move McCabe and Carlo though and then get some people that can really move the puck and create, then I think he would fit.

But as it stands, it's too much of the same thing for this core IMHO.

Yeah not trying to shit on Hague tbh, just that if we go out of our way to consume our own cap space while helping both Vegas and Marner they need to make it worth our while.

 

[Tony Romo]

to be fair, if you keep Domi as a line 1 RW. Get Karlsson + Whomever back for Marner.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Fa/Trade - Karlsson - Nylander

Would be a pretty solid top 6 to go into free agency with.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Yeah not trying to shit on Hague tbh, just that if we go out of our way to consume our own cap space while helping both Vegas and Marner they need to make it worth our while.

I wanted Nic Roy at the deadline, so for me, that's a good start. Then maybe take a punt on Holtz and a draft pick.

Or, would they or even the Leafs consider Hanifin more or less straight up?

 

[Americanadian]

Knies-Matthews-Roslovic
McMann-Tavares-Nylander
Smith-Karlsson-Marchessault
Lorentz-Laughton-Bastian

McCabe-Tanev
OEL-Carlo
Benoit-X

Stolarz
Woll

 

[WTFMAN99]

Knies and McMann are up there in skating speed I think, at least the latter.

I'm a sucker for speed. It's clearly not everything but I would be very interested in just targetting that a lot more. Especially on the backend where it's very slow... I think Benoit has been our fastest skater there.

And then put a Tanev and maybe Jeannot down the lines, and I think the skating speed of this team is widely upgraded to be able to forecheck better.

If the Marner to VGK Thing was a thing and they'd trade us Karlsson...would you?

285k cap space

The bottom 3 lines all feel capable of providing some level of offense.

 

[SprDaVE]

If the Marner to VGK Thing was a thing and they'd trade us Karlsson...would you?

285k cap space

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The bottom 3 lines all feel capable of providing some level of offense.

I would... but would they? I'd be surprised. Way too good of an easy yes.

The idea that Marner at 8 years for a sign and trade to Vegas makes SOME sense but even that seems completely and very unlikely.

And keep McMann over Marchment. I dunno why that needs to happen.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I would... but would they? I'd be surprised. Way too good of an easy yes.

The idea that Marner at 8 years for a sign and trade to Vegas makes SOME sense but even that seems completely and very unlikely.

The 8th year holds value of around a 3rd round pick if the Guentzel deal is anything to go by, I wouldn't mind throwing something else in the deal like a pick to get it over the finish line.

 

[Tony Romo]

If the Marner to VGK Thing was a thing and they'd trade us Karlsson...would you?

285k cap space

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The bottom 3 lines all feel capable of providing some level of offense.

I had something like this built out. It sucks that we traded so many assets for Carlo/Laughton because I feel like a player like a McCann or even Laffy will be available.

I did the following though.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
FA/Trade - Karlsson - Nylander
Marchand - Tavares - Cowan

You would need to dump Jarnkrok/Kampf/Reaves.

You could potentially use pieces like Rielly, McMann, Robertson to get a top 6 winger if you don't want to go out and sign an Ehlers.

 

[SprDaVE]

The 8th year holds value of around a 3rd round pick if the Guentzel deal is anything to go by, I wouldn't mind throwing something else in the deal like a pick to get it over the finish line.

I think they probably could just trade a pick like the Guentzel deal and then turn around to trade someone for some form of value. That's how I see it. Everytime I see something way too good to be true, you need to pump the breaks. You're also dealing with Ferris who loves to go to free agency.

If Vegas lands Marner, they could have an insane amount of Olympians on their team... kind of crazy.

 

[Tony Romo]

I think they probably could just trade a pick like the Guentzel deal and then turn around to trade someone for some form of value. That's how I see it. Everytime I see something way too good to be true, you need to pump the breaks.

You are right about this but Vegas could potentially view trading Karlsson for Marner instead of picks as a good way to use that asset.

Especially cause the C depth is still any combo of Eichel/Hertl/Roy/Howden.

Edit:

They also risk if they lets say trade for Marners rights first... Teams not giving them full value on pieces they want to get rid because they know they have to trade players

 

[robertmac43]

I keep seeing Cowan in peoples prospective line ups for next year. I'm not confident he will be an NHL player next season, I think he needs to cook for another year unfortunately.

It will be interesting to see if he can go on a good run to start camp and stick on this team.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think they probably could just trade a pick like the Guentzel deal and then turn around to trade someone for some form of value. That's how I see it. Everytime I see something way too good to be true, you need to pump the breaks.

I don't disagree with you at all, I really strive to do fair value while keeping in mind past precedent and just where things are at for teams, player and the league (more money available).

I see Karlsson had 29 pts in 53GP and 9 goals at 5.9M so 45 pts and 14 goal pace.

I know the cap is going up and people probably believe in Karlsson in this league but maybe it could be tweaked a bit?

Karlsson for a signed/traded Marner at 8 years (3rd value) + 3rd 2025 NHL draft?

2 3rds for a centre that paced for 45 pts? Keeping in mind that Kevin Hayes made in the 3ish M range with the retention and produced 29 pts in 79GP and had to have a 2nd round pick attached to him to move?

Plus...as fair as I try to do these off-season deals, inevitably every off-season we see deals that we think are no brainers....so in the course of the transactions in that Armchair GM, I am sure someone will think one party did better than another...that is the nature of being a GM right? You'll win and lose some deals.

 

[SprDaVE]

You are right about this but Vegas could potentially view trading Karlsson for Marner instead of picks as a good way to use that asset.

Especially cause the C depth is still any combo of Eichel/Hertl/Roy/Howden.

Edit:

They also risk if they lets say trade for Marners rights first... Teams not giving them full value on pieces they want to get rid because they know they have to trade players

You guys might be right (cc @WTFMAN99 ). If something like that happens, I think it would be really good and saves Treliving/Leafs of completely losing someone for nothing.

 

[Tony Romo]

I keep seeing Cowan in peoples prospective line ups for next year. I'm not confident he will be an NHL player next season, I think he needs to cook for another year unfortunately.

It will be interesting to see if he can go on a good run to start camp and stick on this team.

My thoughts for him would be the kid on an old sheltered 3rd line. In a perfect world, Marchand - Tavares - Him

but it definitely is risky.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Karlsson
Theodore
Barbashev

To Vegas-
Marner (Sign and trade)
OEL
Woll

 

[robertmac43]

My thoughts for him would be the kid on an old sheltered 3rd line. In a perfect world, Marchand - Tavares - Him

but it definitely is risky.

He's going to have high energy and work his butt off. Just don't think the other tools will be at a level to make him viable yet.

Could be a solid two-way energy guy though and if he figure it out sooner than later it would be great for the cap.

 

[4thline]

The problem with Domi at 1RW is the same as (one of) the reasons we've rarely seen Nylander there, a defensive liability on the line neuters the coaches ability to wholly trust and use their Selke level 1C in defensive and matchup situations.

 

[Legion34]

Dreger speculated a lot of what I said here on yesterday’s overdrive. He said that his top destination for Marner is Vegas and then he speculated a sign and trade and that they’d need to move out money to make it work.

Dreger is about as connected to Marner as it gets.

I just don’t understand why he didn’t do that last year. We all knew it.

Could have been Theodore and Roy.
Now it’s probably karlson.


Maybe they do Marner signed and Benoit for Karlson and Hague.

 

[mapleleafs34]

The problem with Domi at 1RW is the same as (one of) the reasons we've rarely seen Nylander there, a defensive liability on the line neuters the coaches ability to wholly trust and use their Selke level 1C in defensive and matchup situations.

I want Auston getting 75% O-Zone starts in the playoffs like Mackinnon & McDavid. We pay him to score.

 

[ashs]

Tank for mcdavid 2026?

 

[SprDaVE]

The problem with Domi at 1RW is the same as (one of) the reasons we've rarely seen Nylander there, a defensive liability on the line neuters the coaches ability to wholly trust and use their Selke level 1C in defensive and matchup situations.

Gotta work with what you have. I think Domi in the playoffs showed he can elevate his game and be a contributor. I think more time with Matthews he can be a good contributor 5 on 5. If you need to shut down a game or have an important Dzone faceoff, you change up your lines in the moment to accommodate.

We'll see how the team looks when training camp rolls around but I think my early assessment is that he'll likely be in that 1RW role, and hopefully the Leafs can give them more OZ starts with a more balanced lineup.

 

[Legion34]

Karlsson, Roy, Korczak, Howden. Would all interest me. They probably would consider getting rid of AP or Theodore, considering Eichel is a FA next offseason as well.

They would have 4.5 to spend on bottom
3 forwards.

Would have to get rid of karlson and Hague.