Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[supermann_98]

I’d avoid any big long term deals this summer if I were the Leafs.

FA is very weak.

I'd go one step further and pay a guy like Nelson or Duchesne a ridiculous amount on a 1 year deal, somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-11m a year is possible, if that's what it took on a 1-year deal.

Why? I mean why not? I hear there's a pretty good UFA coming up next summer, and that Nelson or Duchesne could keep that cap space nice and warm for that particular UFA to maybe keep his options open.

It would be great fun to hear the hockey world lose their collective shit with that move, with talk of "soft tampering" blah, blah, blah. I only wish our GM had the onions to pull off something bold like this

 

[Dragao6]

I'd go one step further and pay a guy like Nelson or Duchesne a ridiculous amount on a 1 year deal, somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-11m a year is possible, if that's what it took on a 1-year deal.

Why? I mean why not? I hear there's a pretty good UFA coming up next summer, and that Nelson or Duchesne could keep that cap space nice and warm for that particular UFA to maybe keep his options open.

It would be great fun to hear the hockey world lose their collective shit with that move, with talk of "soft tampering" blah, blah, blah. I only wish our GM had the onions to pull off something bold like this

That’s abit high but I’d agree
If ufa agree to a one year deal I’d sign 2/3 overpay and get 1st round picks at deadline

Find a way to trade Marners rights or 88 for Lawson crouse!! Would be a great start for me or an elite goalie

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I'd go one step further and pay a guy like Nelson or Duchesne a ridiculous amount on a 1 year deal, somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-11m a year is possible, if that's what it took on a 1-year deal.

Why? I mean why not? I hear there's a pretty good UFA coming up next summer, and that Nelson or Duchesne could keep that cap space nice and warm for that particular UFA to maybe keep his options open.

It would be great fun to hear the hockey world lose their collective shit with that move, with talk of "soft tampering" blah, blah, blah. I only wish our GM had the onions to pull off something bold like this

Nobody is taking a 1-year deal this offseason except for players whose careers are hanging by a thread. There's a lot of money to spend and GM's are drunken sailors in early July.

 

[Skullz]

We have to acquire a second line centre. Make a trade - be creative. Resigning Tavares for cheap is fine, but it’s either at 3C or LW.

Trade Rielly.

Look for young guys getting paid a lot that someone wants to dump. We have the cap space. Washington’s lightning quick retool a great case study.

 

[SprDaVE]

We have to acquire a second line centre. Make a trade - be creative. Resigning Tavares for cheap is fine, but it’s either at 3C or LW.

Trade Rielly.

Look for young guys getting paid a lot that someone wants to dump. We have the cap space. Washington’s lightning quick retool a great case study.

The big difference with what the Caps did is that they sold heavily in a down season, cleared cap space, promoted young players and used the draft capital to bolster their team.

It did start with trading Sandin for a 1st at the deadline, then Kuemper for Dubois, a 2nd for Mangiapane, then 2x3rd round picks for Thompson, then easily got Chychrun for Jensen and another 3rd round pick. It was a great way of retooling from the Caps but it helps that Ovechkin got back to scoring goals. Leafs can do something similar but it will take some aggressive maneuvering from sleepy Treliving.

 

[Zero1]

Listen I LOVE McCabe and I would hate to lose him but looking at the roster, free agents, and the amount of assets the Leafs have, would it make sense trading him?

He doesn’t have a NMC, there’s plenty of LD in free agency, and he would have real value on the market. I also highly doubt Rielly waives his NMC.

I would add McMann, Benoit, OEL, Laughton, and Woll to the list of guys that have real value and can be potentially replaced in free agency.

Treliving really needs to get creative here…

 

[ashs]

Id split up the big 3 next year. Let them drive each of their lines.

Knies Mathews domi
Marner dvo cowan
Nylander Tavares mcmann
Lorentz laughton Robertson

Trade rielly too if u can

 

[Rare Jewel]

Listen I LOVE McCabe and I would hate to lose him but looking at the roster, free agents, and the amount of assets the Leafs have, would it make sense trading him?

Yep.

I'd be calling Kyle to see if he wants a reunion.

 

[RuudeDog]

Not sure if already mentioned but for anyone hoping for Bennett as a UFA just know his agent is Darren Ferris. Same as Marner. This ain’t happening.

Interesting times. I always thought 34 would be a relatively short stay in Toronto but I always assumed 16 would retire a leaf. Disappointing end to the local kids time with the Leafs

 

[RuudeDog]

Watching Florida I am more convinced than ever that we need more guys who will be miserable to play against but can also chip in 10-15 goals. I would get away from Holmberg, Jarnkrok types and bring in a combination of

B Tanev
Jeannot
Frederick
Maybe Brazeau / Eyssimont. Liked him on Tampa but not so miserable
Bennett if at all possible and reasonable

Also like Donato as a potential top 6.

 

[GQS]

Listen I LOVE McCabe and I would hate to lose him but looking at the roster, free agents, and the amount of assets the Leafs have, would it make sense trading him?

He doesn’t have a NMC, there’s plenty of LD in free agency, and he would have real value on the market. I also highly doubt Rielly waives his NMC.

I would add McMann, Benoit, OEL, Laughton, and Woll to the list of guys that have real value and can be potentially replaced in free agency.

Treliving really needs to get creative here…

Why in the heck would you want to trade McCabe when he's been playing pretty well for the Leafs and facing the other team's best players alot of the time?? Him and Tanev are the team's top defensive pair now. Why break that up when his contract is pretty damn reasonable for what he brings to the team? Same with Benoit who played so well for much of the playoffs and his contract is dirt cheap. Why trade him away just so you have to go out and search for a guy just like him in free agency or through a trade?? Makes no sense.

Best thing to do is to convince Rielly to waive his NMC and trade him. If he refuses, then at least reduce his minutes and only use him more when the Leafs need more offense. For the first time in a very long time, if everyone is healthy and playing to their capabilities then the Leafs have a pretty good defensive group where Rielly is the weakest link. Why break that up and trade away one or more from this group just when you finished building yourself a good group of Dmen??

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Regarding Rielly, you have to go to him and say look it's time to part ways and ask him for a list of teams and get to work on making the trade happen. Jarnkrok and kampf also need to be moved as well. You pair those 3 moves with Marner walking and Tavares with a much lower cap hit and you have cap to make real changes on the roster.

 

[Americanadian]

For everyone proposing Duchene - if he leaves Dallas it'll be because he wants to be paid as an 80 point C. That's fine except for the fact he has 2G/9A in 32 GP in the playoffs for Dallas. The Leafs can't continue to allocate large cap $ guys who doesn't score in the playoffs.

I've been heavily promoting the idea of bringing in Marchment who is the same story in the playoffs but at least he's making 4.5M not 7-8M like Duchene would if he left Dallas.

 

[rumman]

I do think Tavares comes back on a short-term deal. I think Marner is done, from both sides, and that Shanahan won't be renewed.

That’s hardly a atomic bomb, I want Hiroshima bomb kind of change………

 

[rumman]

Id split up the big 3 next year. Let them drive each of their lines.

Knies Mathews domi
Marner dvo cowan
Nylander Tavares mcmann
Lorentz laughton Robertson

Trade rielly too if u can

So your in favour of running it back………again……..

 

[rumman]

Not sure if already mentioned but for anyone hoping for Bennett as a UFA just know his agent is Darren Ferris. Same as Marner. This ain’t happening.

Interesting times. I always thought 34 would be a relatively short stay in Toronto but I always assumed 16 would retire a leaf. Disappointing end to the local kids time with the Leafs

going forward I wouldn’t deal with any player who is represented by that turd……….

 

[Clark4Ever]

Assuming JT is back, this what we have to work with going into next season, pending UFAs and trades...

Knies-Matthews-Domi
UFA-Tavares-Nylander
McMann-Laughton-Robertson
UFA-Kampf-Jarnkrok

* Cowan (if he makes the team out of training camp)

 

[rumman]

Assuming JT is back, this what we have to work with going into next season, pending UFAs and trades...

Knies-Matthews-Domi
UFA-Tavares-Nylander
McMann-Laughton-Robertson
UFA-Kampf-Jarnkrok

Robertson’s gonzo imo……

 

[TheGreenTBer]

That’s hardly a atomic bomb, I want Hiroshima bomb kind of change………

Me too but we don't have any picks so we can't do that.

 

[4thline]

Assuming JT is back, this what we have to work with going into next season, pending UFAs and trades...

Knies-Matthews-Domi
UFA-Tavares-Nylander
McMann-Laughton-Robertson
UFA-Kampf-Jarnkrok

* Cowan (if he makes the team out of training camp)

Going from there, also assuming Robertson/Jarncrok/Kampf gone, Lorentz re-signed.

Knies-Matthews-xxx
Tavares*-Domi*-Nylander
xxx-xxx-xxx
McMann-Laughton-Lorentz
Holmberg
14.3m for the 1RW and a 3rd line, targeting heavy, fast players that don't need to be sheltered defensively. Lines 1,3,4 built to play the same game (obviously with different skill levels), line 2 is a sheltered all offense line. The math is daunting- unless you gamble on McMann being able to play the pre-breakout Hyman role at 1RW

 

[SprDaVE]

Going from there, also assuming Robertson/Jarncrok/Kampf gone, Lorentz re-signed.

Knies-Matthews-xxx
Tavares*-Domi*-Nylander
xxx-xxx-xxx
McMann-Laughton-Lorentz
Holmberg
14.3m for the 1RW and a 3rd line, targeting heavy, fast players that don't need to be sheltered defensively. Lines 1,3,4 built to play the same game (obviously with different skill levels), line 2 is a sheltered all offense line. The math is daunting- unless you gamble on McMann being able to play the pre-breakout Hyman role at 1RW

Agreed for the most part. But the Leafs already have a #1 RW in Nylander, they just choose to put him on a different line to spread out offense. He'll play top 2 or 3 level minutes 100%.

They don't need to go all out on a big top line player, they are walking away from one. They really need to just get a few higher end mid-line players that can provide puck possession, forechecking speed and maybe some consistent decent scoring through the season.

Our 3rd and 4th line were absolutely brutal 90% of the season. The fourth line did a lot better when Laughton basically replaced Kampf. And I think Laughton should be playing top 9 minutes with better suited players. He's always been a 40 point guy.

 

[4thline]

Agreed for the most part. But the Leafs already have a #1 RW in Nylander, they just choose to put him on a different line to spread out offense. He'll play top 2 or 3 level minutes 100%.

They don't need to go all out on a big top line player, they are walking away from one. They really need to just get a few higher end mid-line players that can provide puck possession, forechecking speed and maybe some consistent decent scoring through the season.

Our 3rd and 4th line were absolutely brutal 90% of the season. The fourth line did a lot better when Laughton basically replaced Kampf.

Agreed, hence the suggestion of trying McMann in that spot. If McMann can be Hyman-lite, and you go with someone in the 1-1.5 range with Laughton and Lorentz on L4, that leaves ~13m for 3x 3rd line players, and that mix can be varied. 7+3+3, 5+4+4, 6+4+3. Lot's of options to put a really strong line out there.

 

[mapleleafs34]

Call me crazy but I'd much rather trade Nylander and re-sign Marner than just straight up let Marner walk for nothing

 

[SprDaVE]

Call me crazy but I'd much rather trade Nylander and re-sign Marner than just straight up let Marner walk for nothing

Marner doesn't want to stay is the part of the problem. I think the Leafs wouldn't mind retaining him if his salary demands weren't out of wack and his heart was in Toronto but he's clearly ready to move on. He refused to negotiate for a year now and refused to waive, because that's a Ferris move. Everything suggests he'll take the highest bidder of money, and that's his right.

 

[Americanadian]

Call me crazy but I'd much rather trade Nylander and re-sign Marner than just straight up let Marner walk for nothing

This is just proper asset management. There’s too much emotion on all sides (player, management, fans) for this to happen but it’s the best way to keep the Leafs competitive.