Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[The Shadow]

I think you find a taker for Mitch Marner's 8th year for like a 5th.

I'd ship out Jarnkrok for a mid round pick.
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Leaves us with 28M to fill out the rest:

1. Knies - 7.5x7 years
2. Tavares - 7mx 3 years
3. Holmberg - 1.5M x 2 years

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This leaves us with 12M for three good players + depth - I'd go down the route for Sam Bennett, Kyle Palmeri, Anthony Beauvillier and Adam Klapka.

Knies - Matthews - Bennett
McMann - Tavares - Nylander
Beauvillier - Domi - Palmieri
Holmberg - Kampf - Laughton
Klapka

That team is garbage. A group of proven playoff chokers

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

The first moves should be to trade Rielly, let Marner walk, and find out if Tavares will sign for 5x3. If Marner and Tavares walk and we can trade Reilly then you go after Bennett, Ekblad, and another center. Still open to trading Matthews if the team decides to rebuild as well in the next few years.

 

[dubplatepressure]

When all the dust settles on this season, it really comes down to money. If I take my overwhelming sense of disappointment away from this, a core that includes Marner and Mathews are really not the problem, in isolation at least. Its the combination of their post-season play AND the fact that they demand to be the highest paid players in the league to go along with it.

If you can sign Marner for around what he's making now, you do it. He's walking if he wants ~14M. Cannot help but move on from that - let him go play in Chicago or Nashville. Trade Kampf and Jarncock for picks/pucks. On paper that's ~$15M out which gives you a lot of room to play with.

I'd love to see what a combination of Bennett + Marchand + Tanev + Frederic would do for this team next year. Change that culture. Sure they are all on the older side, but they'd set an incredible example for Cowan.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Beauvilier was very good with the Caps in the post-season but I'd be scared of overpaying for him when he's been a very average to sub average player all across the board for awhile. If he comes in cheap enough, I think he'd be a good grinder to get though.

I'd have zero interest in 34 year old Palmieri.

The ufa forward market is so poor this year. I'm just looking purely at 1 year rentals that can still play.

I really liked the way Beauvillier played in the post season. I think him in the botto 6 at 3-3.5 wouldn't be too bad.

 

[SprDaVE]

The ufa forward market is so poor this year. I'm just looking purely at 1 year rentals that can still play.

I really liked the way Beauvillier played in the post season. I think him in the botto 6 at 3-3.5 wouldn't be too bad.

I think the Leafs have done well to target efficient players in roles and depth. Reaves is probably the worst of the bunch. Every year is more or less the same for free agent quality. A couple players at the top, a few middling interesting players and then a lot of depth/role players, like Lorentz.

I see a few players that to me could do very well for what we need. I've listed them before. Forechecking, speed, physicality and hopefully can give you 10-15 goals in a secondary role. It all comes down to interest and money.

Beauvilier probably fits but at over 3M, I think you simply just don't bother... he's just not that good, even for 1 year.

 

[TMLAM34]

I'm confused, why do so many people want to trade Woll?

I don’t want to, but we have very minimal assets and Marner walking leaves a big hole upfront. Doubt many of the top free agents will want to sign here.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'm confused, why do so many people want to trade Woll?

Selling high is one. If Stolarz is the guy moving forward, and retained beyond his current deal, it might be a time to get some value now as opposed to in a years time. There's Hildeby and AA coming up that could push for minutes too. You can find a cheaper back-up as well.

I personally wouldn't give him up for basically anything. It would have to be a very good deal. For example, I would think very long and hard if Buffalo is offering Byram for him. Would they? I dunno. But it's an example of what it would take.

I am more than comfortable keeping both though.

 

[dangomon]

Selling high is one. If Stolarz is the guy moving forward, and retained beyond his current deal, it might be a time to get some value now as opposed to in a years time. There's Hildeby and AA coming up that could push for minutes too. You can find a cheaper back-up as well.

I personally wouldn't give him up for basically anything. It would have to be a very good deal. For example, I would think very long and hard if Buffalo is offering Byram for him. Would they? I dunno. But it's an example.

I am more than comfortable keeping both though.

I don't think there is any way you can go into a season with Stolarz as your number one without a true 1B type as the backup. He's incredible when healthy, but you have to expect him to be out for part of the season, or at least not the type of starter who plays 60 games. Stolarz isn't the workhorse type where you can go cheap on the backup.

I personally don't see either goalie commanding a significant salary and it might make sense to keep the tandem together as long as possible beyond this year.

 

[SprDaVE]

I don't think there is any way you can go into a season with Stolarz as your number one without a true 1B type as the backup. He's incredible when healthy, but you have to expect him to be out for part of the season, or at least not the type of starter who plays 60 games. Stolarz isn't the workhorse type where you can go cheap on the backup.

I personally don't see either goalie commanding a significant salary and it might make sense to keep the tandem together as long as possible beyond this year.

Stolarz in a years time will likely be asking around 6M. Blackwood got a 5.25M contract and he didn't have the numbers Stolarz has over the last couple years.

Woll is already locked up for a bit. It's possible they fit the 8-9M of goaltending for awhile. If that's the goal moving forward, they probably need to look at churning Hildeby and AA for value instead of losing them on waivers eventually.

If Stolarz can't be counted to be the #1 and making well over 5M... I'm not sure why he's the guy. This team never sells high or looks beyond their nose. They have to be smart and aggressive.

 

[dangomon]

Stolarz in a years time will likely be asking around 6M. Blackwood got a 5.25M contract and he didn't have the numbers Stolarz has over the last couple years.

Woll is already locked up for a bit. It's possible they fit the 8-9M of goaltending for awhile. If that's the goal moving forward, they probably need to look at churning Hildeby for value instead of losing him on waivers.

If Stolarz can't be counted to be the #1 and making well over 5M... I'm not sure why he's the guy. This team never sells high or looks beyond their nose. They have to be smart and aggressive.

It's tough, but I guess what I'm saying is I'd be terrified heading into the season with Stolarz as the true #1 and Hildeby, or someone like Vladar, as the backup. If he goes down for a long stretch, or if he's out in the playoffs, like now, it's over. It's so tough to hitch the whole wagon to a guy who may not hold up.

This all depends on development of course, but at this point in time I have no faith in Hildeby at the NHL level, but he has lots of time to prove me wrong. AA is pretty clearly talented but in need of development time in the AHL, and external options will either be career backups or reclamation projects.

 

[SprDaVE]

It's tough, but I guess what I'm saying is I'd be terrified heading into the season with Stolarz as the true #1 and Hildeby, or someone like Vladar, as the backup. If he goes down for a long stretch, or if he's out in the playoffs, like now, it's over. It's so tough to hitch the whole wagon to a guy who may not hold up.

This all depends on development of course, but at this point in time I have no faith in Hildeby at the NHL level, but he has lots of time to prove me wrong. AA is pretty clearly talented but in need of development time in the AHL, and external options will either be career backups or reclamation projects.

The Leafs can probably give it one more year of Woll + Stolarz. They 99% will. But for my money, if a team like Detroit or Edmonton or Buffalo comes and calls and offers a pretty great deal... I'd probably think long and hard about it. If the market sucks, then I'm very happy with our goaltenders, and re-evaluate at the end of the season.

Hildeby had an up and down season, much like the Marlies season. People only remember the last couple rough Hildeby games but forget the first few games where he was very good. He's huge and has plenty of potential. He may never be good enough but it's crazy how many people just hate him from 6 NHL games. Developing a goaltender isn't linear or instant, just ask Woll.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Selling high is one. If Stolarz is the guy moving forward, and retained beyond his current deal, it might be a time to get some value now as opposed to in a years time. There's Hildeby and AA coming up that could push for minutes too. You can find a cheaper back-up as well.

I personally wouldn't give him up for basically anything. It would have to be a very good deal. For example, I would think very long and hard if Buffalo is offering Byram for him. Would they? I dunno. But it's an example of what it would take.

I am more than comfortable keeping both though.

If Anaheim didn't haver Dakstol, McTavish would interest me.

Cole Sillinger from CBJ? Might just be a 3C though.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

I'm confused, why do so many people want to trade Woll?

George Carlin said: think about how stupid the average person is and Half the world is dumber than that.

 

[Perratrooper]

Id prefer Girard to Coyle for sure. Younger, higher upside and less risk of consistent downplay

I doubt matthews actually gets dealt but this retool type trade could work if we want to build around Nylander.

Leafs would let marner & tavares walk, trade Rielly for best futures package and sign Bennett + ehlers + 1 of Orlov/Gavrikov/Provorov for around 23)M (9M + 8M + 7M)

The team would be pretty deep at that point

Would you consider Wood over Colton? Makes the cap difference a wash and they would likely fill a similar bottom 6 role (Wood is faster, but a bit of a bonehead).

 

[Skullz]

I would try and replace Rielly with Provorov.

 

[Americanadian]

I'm confused, why do so many people want to trade Woll?

Probably the most tradeable asset on the roster to improve the team for next season. He’s a good goalie but a relatively wasted asset if he’s the back up.

 

[Skullz]

Marchand is old and I doubt he wants to come here - but I'd love him on a cheap two year deal.

 

[Fogelhund]

Probably the most tradeable asset on the roster to improve the team for next season. He’s a good goalie but a relatively wasted asset if he’s the back up.

We wouldn't get much back for a backup goalie, who has an injury history. We are better off keeping him. What's your expectation, a 3rd round pick? How does that help?

 

[Americanadian]

We wouldn't get much back for a backup goalie, who has an injury history. We are better off keeping him. What's your expectation, a 3rd round pick? How does that help?

I’ve been proposing trading him to Philly for one of Tippett or Foerster because they’re so flush with RS W and they’re desperate for a starting goalie - which Woll would be for them.

I fully acknowledge that this playoff run has diminished his value and Philly wouldn’t touch that trade today. Would they do Woll+FLA 2nd for Tippett?

I would not move him for a 3rd.

 

[Fogelhund]

I’ve been proposing trading him to Philly for one of Tippett or Foerster because they’re so flush with RS W and they’re desperate for a starting goalie - which Woll would be for them.

I fully acknowledge that this playoff run has diminished his value and Philly wouldn’t touch that trade today. Would they do Woll+FLA 2nd for Tippett?

I would not move him for a 3rd.

I just don't think any goalie has much value, unless they are stars. Woll as talented as he is, hasn't shown enough to have real value... and I don't think these playoffs diminished him any... He hasn't proven to be a starting goalie at all yet...

 

[Americanadian]

I just don't think any goalie has much value, unless they are stars. Woll as talented as he is, hasn't shown enough to have real value... and I don't think these playoffs diminished him any... He hasn't proven to be a starting goalie at all yet...

Askarov went for a 1st+prospect last summer and Woll is likely closer to being a full time starter than him.

The Leafs are in an advantageous position right now where multiple teams need a goalie and there’s not many for sale. All of PHI, CBJ, EDM, PIT and maybe even DET could use Woll on his current deal. The only goalie better than Woll that might be available is Swayman and maybe Gibson but Woll is a better asset than him.

 

[Fogelhund]

Askarov went for a 1st+prospect last summer and Woll is likely closer to being a full time starter than him.

The Leafs are in an advantageous position right now where multiple teams need a goalie and there’s not many for sale. All of PHI, CBJ, EDM, PIT and maybe even DET could use Woll on his current deal. The only goalie better than Woll that might be available is Swayman and maybe Gibson but Woll is a better asset than him.

Askarov comes with draft pedigree and an expectation that Woll has never had, nor will he. I'd keep Woll for next year, we aren't getting a 1st + prospect, or any player of real value at this point.

 

[Americanadian]

Askarov comes with draft pedigree and an expectation that Woll has never had, nor will he. I'd keep Woll for next year, we aren't getting a 1st + prospect, or any player of real value at this point.

Again - if his value is a 3rd, I agree.

I believe in the current market he can bring back a good player that helps the Leafs today.

 

[TMLAM34]

If Marner does walk, what do people think about targeting Lafreniere from the Rangers? Do we have the assets needed to make the deal? Do people even want him as he’ll be making 7.45 million per starting next season?

 

[Malachi Crunch]

If Marner does walk, what do people think about targeting Lafreniere from the Rangers? Do we have the assets needed to make the deal? Do people even want him as he’ll be making 7.45 million per starting next season?

Id take him, for sure.

The Rangers sucked this year. Last year, when they didn't suck, he almost had 30 goals. So I'm good with a 7.45 million, young, gritty, potential 30 goal scorer, who was a former 1st overall. Especially with the cap rising.

What would it take to get him though? Rielly? Rielly+?

If so, I would take the other 7 million that Marner would have gotten and get Provorov. Provorov and Laf. Not bad for the start of a small retool.