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If this team once again fails to proceed very far in the playoffs, what would you want them to do?

  • Do nothing, run it back

    Votes: 6 7.0%

  • Make changes to the offense, top 6 forward, better bottom six, but keep the core

    Votes: 8 9.3%

  • Make changes to the offense, including moving core players

    Votes: 36 41.9%

  • Make changes to the defense

    Votes: 4 4.7%

  • Do a retool, including moving core players

    Votes: 41 47.7%

  • Ban the guy who keeps making jinx prediction posts.

    Votes: 13 15.1%
  • Total voters
    86
Doug Prishpreed said:
His greatest sin was not trading Marner, so I agree there. But it was his first season, that would’ve been extremely bold…I kind of want to give him a pass on that.
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It wasn't just about Marner, but they were well over the cap but because of a few LTIR (Jarnkrok in particular), they were able to juggle the cap until it was clear they needed room, and then punted Liljegren for a meh return. It shouldn't have been that way. If they were able to accrue cap space properly, they probably could have sat out certain players at the end of the year, or targetted a more expensive player, or whatever else.

If they sit on Robertson, Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves again... I will lose my mind.
 
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When a player has a NMC it's hard to move them.

Marner was asked if he would be open to moving his NMC to get traded to Carolina but he declined.
 
I just looked at Puckpedia, holy god there is some bad stuff on there. Realistically, we get Matthews the surgery/help he needs to be able to rip the puck again. Marner is walking, there was a post/article about Draisaitl and Rantanen's playoffs statistics next to Marners the other day and its night and day. Yet he expects to be paid like them (more than Rantanen most likely). I can't get on board with running it back and hoping for different results. Our chances of that happening are as probably less likely than Mcdavid coming in Summer 2026.

I also don't think signing big tickets on Bennett, Ehlers, Boeser are the answer. Tavares played great all year, in a CONTRACT year of course. But I wouldn't want to do more than a 1 year deal at 5-7. I'd take a hard look at what it'd cost to get Duchene, overpay on a 1 year deal?
 
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SprDaVE said:
I don't know what people expect from these sub 2M players. McMann is probably one of our best cheap assets. 20 goals, fast, forechecks... These players are not going to pot a goal a game here and they will have stretches of meh play. I know these playoffs have been underwhelming, but he's hitting and getting some chances here and there.

The grass isn't always greener, especially for that kind of player.
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If you can score 20G in the regular season, you should be able to contribute in the playoffs. Regardless of your salary.

Toronto Goaltending and D are set for next season, with the potentially added cap next season & free'd up money, Toronto needs to find a way to get bigger and faster on the bottom end of the lineup.

If PuckPedia is correct, Toronto is going to have 26m to fill and sign the following (clearly they can trade forwards, but this is everyone under contract:

XXX (Knies) - Matthews - XXX
XXX - XXX - Nylander
McMann - Domi - Cowan (think he makes the team trying to get offence for cheap)
XXX - Kampf - Jarnkrok
 
Torontonian said:
If you can score 20G in the regular season, you should be able to contribute in the playoffs. Regardless of your salary.

Toronto Goaltending and D are set for next season, with the potentially added cap next season & free'd up money, Toronto needs to find a way to get bigger and faster on the bottom end of the lineup.

If PuckPedia is correct, Toronto is going to have 26m to fill and sign the following (clearly they can trade forwards, but this is everyone under contract:

XXX (Knies) - Matthews - XXX
XXX - XXX - Nylander
McMann - Domi - Cowan (think he makes the team trying to get offence for cheap)
XXX - Kampf - Jarnkrok
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Kampf and Jarnkrok are most likely gone.

Nylander could always play first line RW too.
 
Amadeus said:
When a player has a NMC it's hard to move them.

Marner was asked if he would be open to moving his NMC to get traded to Carolina but he declined.
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Unless you're Jacob Trouba.

I think the issue is the process itself. I can see why Mitch declines mid-season. But if it's made apparent to the particular agents early enough in the off-season and they give 3-5 teams, then it should be doable.

I mean, if the Rangers are interested in Nylander, I'm sure he wouldn't mind it.
 
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Obviously this is without extensions, bringing cap back but with what's been reported, there should be roughly 30.15m opening up this offseason

Tavares 11m
Marner 10.9m
Domi 3.75m
Kampf 2.4m
Jarnkrok 2.1m
 
Torontonian said:
If you can score 20G in the regular season, you should be able to contribute in the playoffs. Regardless of your salary.

Toronto Goaltending and D are set for next season, with the potentially added cap next season & free'd up money, Toronto needs to find a way to get bigger and faster on the bottom end of the lineup.

If PuckPedia is correct, Toronto is going to have 26m to fill and sign the following (clearly they can trade forwards, but this is everyone under contract:

XXX (Knies) - Matthews - XXX
XXX - XXX - Nylander
McMann - Domi - Cowan (think he makes the team trying to get offence for cheap)
XXX - Kampf - Jarnkrok
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I mean yeah that goes for anyone. The whole team outside of a few have been underwhelming in terms of goal scoring, McMann included. Doesn't mean he's now fodder though. Even if he's not scoring, he's been hitting and involved as a depth player.

If Marner does walk, Domi becomes a top 6 RW for me. Chuck Kampf for anything you can get. Jarnkrok Im 50/50 on but just dump him too. This is how I see the holes in terms of depth chart (not really line combinations). Ideally you push down Holmberg to a depth/winger role.

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
XXX - xxx (JT?) - Domi
McMann - Laughton - XXX (Jarnkrok?)
XXX (Lorentz?) - XXX - XXX
Holmberg

Prospects/young players in the mix -- Quillan and Cowan... woof
 
I feel like Domi was severely miss used this year which resulted in a terrible season for him. The stupid penalties he keeps taking game after game isn’t helping his case either.
 
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TMLAM34 said:
I don’t think it’ll be that hard to find a team interested in Rielly. It’s more so, which team will Rielly waive to? I always circle back to Detroit, especially with his wife from Windsor.
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Detroit is the only one that makes sense to me.

Do they want him is the question. They really want a partner for Seider who can cover for him defensively - Rielly isn’t that. If they’re building one pair around Seider and another pair around Edvinsson - where does Rielly fit?
 
I'd run it back one more time.

I don't WANT to do that, as I don't find this core (Matthews) all that likeable, but that is the best shot to win a cup right now. This team/core is 'aging out'. Almost every cup winner in the past decade (or more) has had one or more of their top star players no more than 26 years old:

-Florida last year: Tkachuk 26, Barkov 28, Bennett 27
-Vegas 2 years ago: Eichel 26
-Colorado: McKinnon 26, Makar 23
-Tampa: Kucherov 27, Point 25
-Tampa (before that) Kucherov 26, Point 24
-St. Louis: Schenn 27, O'Rielly 28, Tarasenko 27
-Washington: Kuznetsov 26, Tom Wilson 24 (Ovi was already 32, this may be the exception)

Crosby won his cups at 29, 28, and 21.
Patrick Kane won his at 26, 24, and 21.
Kopitar won his at 26 and 24.
Mario Lemiuex won his last ones at 26 and 27.
Gretzky's last one in Edm came at 27 (27, 26, 24, 23)

My point? You CAN be a very good player in your later 20's and into your 30's, but to be great and carry a team through the playoffs all the way to the cup, you USUALLY (almost always) need one of your stars to be in their early to mid 20s. Matthews may still be at his 'peak' in terms of talent, but he's not getting better, and injuries and wear-and-tear are starting to take a toll.

Next year at this time, Matthews will be 28, Nylander 30, Tavares 35, and Marner 29. I'd give them one more shot next year, if they don't do it next year, this window is closed after that. Not closed to being a very good team, but closed to winning a cup. One more year.
 
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mjd1001 said:
I'd run it back one more time.

I don't WANT to do that, as I don't find this core (Matthews) all that likeable, but that is the best shot to win a cup right now. This team/core is 'aging out'. Almost every cup winner in the past decade (or more) has had one or more of their top star players no more than 26 years old:

-Florida last year: Tkachuk 26, Barkov 28, Bennett 27
-Vegas 2 years ago: Eichel 26
-Colorado: McKinnon 26, Makar 23
-Tampa: Kucherov 27, Point 25
-Tampa (before that) Kucherov 26, Point 24
-St. Louis: Schenn 27, O'Rielly 28, Tarasenko 27
-Washington: Kuznetsov 26, Tom Wilson 24 (Ovi was already 32, this may be the exception)

Crosby won his cups at 29, 28, and 21.
Patrick Kane won his at 26, 24, and 21.
Kopitar won his at 26 and 24.
Mario Lemiuex won his last ones at 26 and 27.
Gretzky's last one in Edm came at 27 (27, 26, 24, 23)

My point? You CAN be a very good player in your later 20's and into your 30's, but to be great and carry a team through the playoffs all the way to the cup, you USUALLY (almost always) need one of your stars to be in their early to mid 20s. Matthews may still be at his 'peak' in terms of talent, but he's not getting better, and injuries and wear-and-tear are starting to take a toll.

Next year at this time, Matthews will be 28, Nylander 30, Tavares 35, and Marner 29. I'd give them one more shot next year, if they don't do it next year, this window is closed after that. Not closed to being a very good team, but closed to winning a cup. One more year.
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Americanadian said:
Detroit is the only one that makes sense to me.

Do they want him is the question. They really want a partner for Seider who can cover for him defensively - Rielly isn’t that. If they’re building one pair around Seider and another pair around Edvinsson - where does Rielly fit?
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Nashville as well.

Loads of cap space, Western guy in Trotz as GM.
 
Americanadian said:
Detroit is the only one that makes sense to me.

Do they want him is the question. They really want a partner for Seider who can cover for him defensively - Rielly isn’t that. If they’re building one pair around Seider and another pair around Edvinsson - where does Rielly fit?
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I haven’t watched any Red Wing games, do you know if they’ve tried Edvinsson - Seider together? That just seems like it has the potential and tools to be such a deadly top pair in the making.
 
TMLAM34 said:
I haven’t watched any Red Wing games, do you know if they’ve tried Edvinsson - Seider together? That just seems like it has the potential and tools to be such a deadly top pair in the making.
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I believe Red Wings fans said the issue was that their defense isn't good enough to play them together.
 
With all the toxicity that's followed the team this year, UFA's aren't going to be looking at this as a desirable location.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if we start to see a fall off in the standings as early as next year.
 
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