Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[LeafsStorm]

Man we are in tough. I don't want to lose Marner or Knies.

 

[LeafsStorm]

Just looked at capwages for next season for the Leafs and the team will have it TOUGH trying to re-sign all of Marner, Knies, and Tavares.

A projected $25M to fill 4-6 roster spots isn't so bad.

But Marner will likely cost $12M, Knies will need at least $5-8M per on either a very short or longer-term deal, and Tavares will get offers north of $7M in UFA on a 3-year deal so I don't expect he'll settle for much less.

The Leafs will have to choose between penny-pinching their depth, as they've always done before.

Or more likely giving elevated roles to players they already have, bring up Easton Cowan to give some more cheap depth to the team if he's ready, all the whilst losing one of Marner or Tavares.

Marner is going to want 14 and won't take less is my guess
Knies is gonna be commanding 7-8

 

[SprDaVE]

Marner is going to want 14 and won't take less is my guess
Knies is gonna be commanding 7-8

Hard to know but that would be without any sort of precedent. A lot of teams would give him that for him to jump ship but realistically speaking, he should be worth around what Rantanen got at the very max. His agent knows it and everyone knows it. I think we also downplay being a new parent. A lot of people would prefer to stay in an environment with close family and support, especially with Mitch with a job travelling a lot. But who knows, maybe the max money is more important, I dunno. My gut feeling is if the Leafs offer 12.5M over long-term, he's easily signing.

Knies isn't going anywhere. It all depends on the term.

 

[Fogelhund]

I love talking about roster building, trades, etc... but at this point, it really should be taking a back seat to the playoffs. I think the majority of us suggested that this team needed major changes if they couldn't get through two rounds of the playoffs... It's still early days, but the signs are encouraging so far, and the team has plenty of work to do. Let's see how the playoffs go for us, then we will have a better idea of how this will all shake out. Nylander's play in the playoffs so far has been exceptional. If he keeps this up, I'm not sure how Marner makes an argument to receive a larger cap % than him...

Let's hope the team continues to succeed this year... and then they can worry about the dollars.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I love talking about roster building, trades, etc... but at this point, it really should be taking a back seat to the playoffs. I think the majority of us suggested that this team needed major changes if they couldn't get through two rounds of the playoffs... It's still early days, but the signs are encouraging so far, and the team has plenty of work to do. Let's see how the playoffs go for us, then we will have a better idea of how this will all shake out. Nylander's play in the playoffs so far has been exceptional. If he keeps this up, I'm not sure how Marner makes an argument to receive a larger cap % than him...

Let's hope the team continues to succeed this year... and then they can worry about the dollars.

Agreed. I've been thinking it's a bit strange this is going on during our longest run in the playoffs (I know) we've had in a quarter of a century.

Also, I think we all trust Brad to do the right thing.

 

[Leaffan1991]

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Which Geekie? Actually doesn’t matter - neither is reasonably available.

Frederic probably costs quite a bit. Over the last 3 years, he’s averaging 15 goals as a 3rd liner. That alone probably gets him 3.5+. Add in the toughness and ability to play center and don’t be shocked if he gets over 5 million.

Yeah that's a bit too much for my liking.
I was talking about Morgan Geekie since he's UFA but he's probably going to get paid big time since he scored 33

 

[Dreakmur]

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Yeah that's a bit too much for my liking.
I was talking about Morgan Geekie since he's UFA but he's probably going to get paid big time since he scored 33

Morgan Geekie is an RFA, isn’t he?

 

[Leaffan1991]

Morgan Geekie is an RFA, isn’t he?

You are right, another website I read he was UFA

 

[conFABulator]

Marner is going to want 14 and won't take less is my guess
Knies is gonna be commanding 7-8

It could be $14 per for Marner, but there are a few large variables in this equation

(1) How far we go in the playoffs.
(2) Mariner's contribution to our playoff performance
(3) How having a baby may make him more likely to want to stay in Toronto
(4) Term. How many years?
(5) How won would justify paying him a lot more than Rantanen.

I feel like right around Matthews but on an eight year deal is the win/win. Between $13M and $13.5M seems right. That deal will feel like very good value for the Leafs in years 3 to 8 and fair value before then

 

[MarMarSab3]

I love talking about roster building, trades, etc... but at this point, it really should be taking a back seat to the playoffs. I think the majority of us suggested that this team needed major changes if they couldn't get through two rounds of the playoffs... It's still early days, but the signs are encouraging so far, and the team has plenty of work to do. Let's see how the playoffs go for us, then we will have a better idea of how this will all shake out. Nylander's play in the playoffs so far has been exceptional. If he keeps this up, I'm not sure how Marner makes an argument to receive a larger cap % than him...

Let's hope the team continues to succeed this year... and then they can worry about the dollars.

Barring a Stanley Cup victory Mitch Marner should not be on this team moving forward

 

[WTFMAN99]

It could be $14 per for Marner, but there are a few large variables in this equation

(1) How far we go in the playoffs.
(2) Mariner's contribution to our playoff performance
(3) How having a baby may make him more likely to want to stay in Toronto
(4) Term. How many years?
(5) How won would justify paying him a lot more than Rantanen.

I feel like right around Matthews but on an eight year deal is the win/win. Between $13M and $13.5M seems right. That deal will feel like very good value for the Leafs in years 3 to 8 and fair value before then

I'd offer 12.5M which is more than what Rantanen received

If it's not enough, we tried our best.

 

[conFABulator]

I'd offer 12.5M which is more than what Rantanen received

If it's not enough, we tried our best.

Yes, I thought Rantanen had got $12.5 and had Marner in just above that number. I would be good with Marner on 8 x 12.5 to 13.

We can make that work and still retain Knies and resign JT and probably add a bit of we turn Robertson, Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves into one player. The cap going up is a factor also.

What is boils down to is how do we get better without Marner? Ice time leader, scoring leader, PKer...are we really better if we go Bennett at $9M + someone else? Let those four guys go...make room for Cowan and Quillan and maybe a Euro RFA and a veteran like Branden Tanev and also have $5 or $6M to spend.

Knies ($8M) Matthews Marner ($13M)
FA ($5M) Tavares ($5.5M) Nylander
Holmberg Domi McMann
Lorentz ($1M) Laughton Tanev ($1.5M)
Cowan

..maybe we keep Robertson and have him, Cowan and Holmberg battle and jockey for position? Quillan could get a 4th line look. Maybe we even keep Jarnkrok?

McCabe Tanev
Reilly Carlo
Benoit OEL
Myers

Stolarz
Woll

If this team gets to round 3, I think it is time to run it back for a good reason and we can bring just about everyone back.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yes, I thought Rantanen had got $12.5 and had Marner in just above that number. I would be good with Marner on 8 x 12.5 to 13.

We can make that work and still retain Knies and resign JT and probably add a bit of we turn Robertson, Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves into one player. The cap going up is a factor also.

What is boils down to is how do we get better without Marner? Ice time leader, scoring leader, PKer...are we really better if we go Bennett at $9M + someone else? Let those four guys go...make room for Cowan and Quillan and maybe a Euro RFA and a veteran like Branden Tanev and also have $5 or $6M to spend.

Knies ($8M) Matthews Marner ($13M)
FA ($5M) Tavares ($5.5M) Nylander
Holmberg Domi McMann
Lorentz ($1M) Laughton Tanev ($1.5M)
Cowan

..maybe we keep Robertson and have him, Cowan and Holmberg battle and jockey for position? Quillan could get a 4th line look. Maybe we even keep Jarnkrok?

McCabe Tanev
Reilly Carlo
Benoit OEL
Myers

Stolarz
Woll

If this team gets to round 3, I think it is time to run it back for a good reason and we can bring just about everyone back.

You could just try to do a 1 year transition like get JT on a 1 year 7M deal and something else and hope you land McDavid and/or Kaprizov the following year, who knows?

12.5M is fair, Marner is a winger at the end of the day.

 

[Fogelhund]

Barring a Stanley Cup victory Mitch Marner should not be on this team moving forward

I appreciate rational comments, but this isn't one of them. He's one of the reasons that the team has had success so far this year, top forward in Time on Ice, number two in points. Ok, if you just hate Marner blindly for some reason, I get your opinion, otherwise it makes zero sense at all.

 

[Menzinger]

The Wild are rumored to consider moving off of Rossi. I'd be interested but don't think the team has the assets the Wild would want,.who likely want more of an impact player for him. Best I could come up with is Cowan+Danford but that doesn't fill any of the Wild's needs right now.

A pity

Man we are in tough. I don't want to lose Marner or Knies.

They can keep both. Though the decision about Marner lies in the players hands alone at this point

 

[TMLAM34]

The Wild are rumored to consider moving off of Rossi. I'd be interested but don't think the team has the assets the Wild would want,.who likely want more of an impact player for him. Best I could come up with is Cowan+Danford but that doesn't fill any of the Wild's needs right now.

A pity



They can keep both. Though the decision about Marner lies in the players hands alone at this point

They were apparently willing to move him last off-season as well. I think he’d fit in really nice on a line with McMann and Nylander. But like you said, I don’t think we have the assets to make it work with Minnesota.

 

[Puckstuff]

Yes, I thought Rantanen had got $12.5 and had Marner in just above that number. I would be good with Marner on 8 x 12.5 to 13.

We can make that work and still retain Knies and resign JT and probably add a bit of we turn Robertson, Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves into one player. The cap going up is a factor also.

What is boils down to is how do we get better without Marner? Ice time leader, scoring leader, PKer...are we really better if we go Bennett at $9M + someone else? Let those four guys go...make room for Cowan and Quillan and maybe a Euro RFA and a veteran like Branden Tanev and also have $5 or $6M to spend.

Knies ($8M) Matthews Marner ($13M)
FA ($5M) Tavares ($5.5M) Nylander
Holmberg Domi McMann
Lorentz ($1M) Laughton Tanev ($1.5M)
Cowan

..maybe we keep Robertson and have him, Cowan and Holmberg battle and jockey for position? Quillan could get a 4th line look. Maybe we even keep Jarnkrok?

McCabe Tanev
Reilly Carlo
Benoit OEL
Myers

Stolarz
Woll

If this team gets to round 3, I think it is time to run it back for a good reason and we can bring just about everyone back.

You're over the cap by 2.0 + million even with slashing Kampf and Jarnkrok.

They can keep Knies and Marner, but that 2LW would need to be cheaper than 5 million. They can target a cheaper 2LW like a Brandon Saad type for 2.25-2.5 to replace Pacioretty and should be able to keep both Marner and Knies with a 21 man roster.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Saad - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Domi - Steeves
Lorentz - Laughton - Jarnkrok

McCabe Tanev
Reilly Carlo
Benoit OEL
Myers

Stolarz
Woll

 

[LeafEgo]

You're over the cap by 2.0 + million even with slashing Kampf and Jarnkrok.

They can keep Knies and Marner, but that 2LW would need to be cheaper than 5 million. They can target a cheaper 2LW like a Brandon Saad type for 2.25-2.5 to replace Pacioretty and should be able to keep both Marner and Knies with a 21 man roster.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Saad - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Domi - Steeves
Lorentz - Laughton - Jarnkrok

McCabe Tanev
Reilly Carlo
Benoit OEL
Myers

Stolarz
Woll

That's not bad. You'd need some sort of a good backup plan for Steeves, and probably Saad.

Let's see this group go a bit further before locking it in.

 

[conFABulator]

You're over the cap by 2.0 + million even with slashing Kampf and Jarnkrok.

They can keep Knies and Marner, but that 2LW would need to be cheaper than 5 million. They can target a cheaper 2LW like a Brandon Saad type for 2.25-2.5 to replace Pacioretty and should be able to keep both Marner and Knies with a 21 man roster.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Saad - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Domi - Steeves
Lorentz - Laughton - Jarnkrok

McCabe Tanev
Reilly Carlo
Benoit OEL
Myers

Stolarz
Woll

Thanks for that—appreciate the clarification. I’ll admit I wasn’t totally certain on the numbers; I had run it through a cap calculator at one point but was mostly going off memory. That said, I still think a lineup that adds someone like Saad or Pacioretty—or even just continues developing Robertson—has a great shot at repeating as division champs. A full season of Laughton and Carlo is a meaningful boost.

Bottom line: you keep Marner.