Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Legion34]

No he can't, his advanced stats before and after he got here were absolutely horrendous, he was playing on the wing in Philly and we tried him at 3C and he was bloody terrible

He's found a home on the 4th line because it's a checking line so his lack of scoring doesn't matter, he isn't a 3C

He absolutely can and is. Scott Laughton has never at any point in his history been seen as a 4th liner.

He has consistently scored at a 15 g 40 pt pace throughout his career. He has played the vast majority of his career at C.

He is currently playing at C and is not on the leafs 4th line.

He is playing 6th most out of any forward in the series per game.

He had a horrible adjustment for like 10 games and now is centring the checking line.

 

[aingefan]

Questions for you guys

What type of skill set would work best with Tavares and Nylander?

It seems there hasn’t been a good fit for those two.

Who could be targeted for that line?

That duo had good success with a pre-injury Micheyev and healthy Hyman. Some wheels and puck pursuit. We saw the same with McMann this year and Patches to a lesser extent.

 

[LeafEgo]

Questions for you guys

What type of skill set would work best with Tavares and Nylander?

It seems there hasn’t been a good fit for those two.

Who could be targeted for that line?

Defensive focus and positioning
Size with strong forechecking ability
Masterful in the corners
Speed a bonus

Knies is a pretty good candidate actually, but he's taken I guess. Something like a Hagel would work well I think.

Edit: A player that can't keep up with top six duties and thus causes offensive plays to die that shouldn't is a major negative.... ...

 

[WillNy29]

any interest or likelihood of us getting Isaac Howard?

 

[Legion34]

any interest or likelihood of us getting Isaac Howard?

We have nothing to trade. Divisional rival.
He would potentially fit us at LW if he goes to ufa Especially Marner leaves. Even if not

Knies. Matthews. Marner
Howard. Tavares. Nylander
Domi. ————- Cowan
Holmberg. Haymes. Quillan
Would be an ok core?

We need a Tavares replacement. I still have no idea why we never tried marner

 

[Kiwi]

He absolutely can and is. Scott Laughton has never at any point in his history been seen as a 4th liner.

He has consistently scored at a 15 g 40 pt pace throughout his career. He has played the vast majority of his career at C.

He is currently playing at C and is not on the leafs 4th line.

He is playing 6th most out of any forward in the series per game.

He had a horrible adjustment for like 10 games and now is centring the checking line.

That's what happens as guys age, they become 4th liners

He was playing as a top 6 winger in Philly for at the very least the bulk of this season, so he was a top 6W who was pacing for just under 40 points

He's a center on the checking line, that's why there aren't people chasing him with pitchforks because he's rolling a Kampf like 25 point pace

Because he's defensively reliable, he isn't being used to score which a non checking line center is supposed to be able to do

He's been pit in a position to succeed, a non scoring defensive re just like Kampf did

 

[SprDaVE]

any interest or likelihood of us getting Isaac Howard?

I'd be very surprised. Sounds like he's acting like a diva. Not sure why he wouldn't want to go to Tampa of all teams... but hey. He'll probably go to New York or Detroit or something.

 

[The Shadow]

What about Mangiapane as a UFA?

Andrew Mangiapane | 3yrs x 5.800M (WSH)

Andrew Mangiapane signed a 3 year, $17,400,000 contract with the Calgary Flames on Aug. 2, 2022. The contract has a cap hit of $5,800,000.

capwages.com

From Toronto and has some offensive skill. Could have be a winger on the Tavares and Nylander line?

I’m assuming Tavares is signed btw

 

[The Shadow]

I hope the Leafs are in on Bennett this summer. Guy knows how to win and plays hard

 

[Dreakmur]

He was playing as a top 6 winger in Philly for at the very least the bulk of this season, so he was a top 6W who was pacing for just under 40 points

This year was the first year that he was used as a regular winger, and that only started about half way through the year.

The previous few years, he was their second line center, which is why he paced for ~40 points.

He's a center on the checking line, that's why there aren't people chasing him with pitchforks because he's rolling a Kampf like 25 point pace

Those are all valuable things.

Call it the 4th line if you want, but Laughton’s line plays the 3rd most. Laughton himself is actually 6th among forwards.

 

[Kiwi]

This year was the first year that he was used as a regular winger, and that only started about half way through the year.

The previous few years, he was their second line center, which is why he paced for ~40 points.



Those are all valuable things.

Call it the 4th line if you want, but Laughton’s line plays the 3rd most. Laughton himself is actually 6th among forwards.

Jesus, he was a 2nd line center and was scoring 40 points a season, that's atrocious

As I said he has value in his role but he isn’t going to score enough to be a 3rd line center if you want 3 lines that can do something offensively

Depth scoring is useful

 

[WillNy29]

We have nothing to trade. Divisional rival.
He would potentially fit us at LW if he goes to ufa Especially Marner leaves. Even if not

Knies. Matthews. Marner
Howard. Tavares. Nylander
Domi. ————- Cowan
Holmberg. Haymes. Quillan
Would be an ok core?

We need a Tavares replacement. I still have no idea why we never tried marner

why trade when he can be talked into holding TB hostage and becoming a FA

 

[Legion34]

Jesus, he was a 2nd line center and was scoring 40 points a season, that's atrocious

As I said he has value in his role but he isn’t going to score enough to be a 3rd line center if you want 3 lines that can do something offensively

Depth scoring is useful

Again. Third line centers score about 15/40. That’s very reasonable. He isn’t a 4th line plater and has never been. I have no idea what Your expectations of a 3c are? 60 pts? 80?

 

[Kiwi]

Again. Third line centers score about 15/40. That’s very reasonable. He isn’t a 4th line plater and has never been. I have no idea what Your expectations of a 3c are? 60 pts? 80?

Half a point per game which he isn't able to do anymore, he couldn't even run at a 40 point pace playing in the top 6 for Philly

Expecting an increase in points playing with worse linemates in less even strength minutes as he ages over 30 is a mugs game

Berube saw him as 3C and preferred Domi, not good

 

[Dreakmur]

Again. Third line centers score about 15/40. That’s very reasonable. He isn’t a 4th line plater and has never been. I have no idea what Your expectations of a 3c are? 60 pts? 80?

Even the best 3Cs rarely break 35 points without PP time.

 

[Dreakmur]

Jesus, he was a 2nd line center and was scoring 40 points a season, that's atrocious

As I said he has value in his role but he isn’t going to score enough to be a 3rd line center if you want 3 lines that can do something offensively

Depth scoring is useful

Depth scoring is great. Unfortunately, when you overpay the top of your roster, you have to save money elsewhere.

The most common way to have cheap contributors in your bottom 6 is to have a pile of ELCs fighting for spots, but we traded away so many picks and then drafted a bunch of top-6-or-bust prospects.

We’re left with mediocre bottom 6 players, and that’s what Laughton is…. A mediocre 3c who’s best at non-scoring aspects of the game.

 

[Legion34]

Half a point per game which he isn't able to do anymore, he couldn't even run at a 40 point pace playing in the top 6 for Philly

Expecting an increase in points playing with worse linemates in less even strength minutes as he ages over 30 is a mugs game

Berube saw him as 3C and preferred Domi, not good

???? Berube is clearly playing Laughton at 3C right now.

He is 6th in TOI for forwards. I honestly don’t know what you are trying to say. Over his career he has consistently been a 15 goal 40 pt pace player who has excelled at even strength scoring and is currently playing 3C for a 2nd round playoff team.

He was on a 15 goal 37 pt pace on a brutal Philly team. What major drop off have you seen?

I really don’t get what your point is.

 

[Dreakmur]

???? Berube is clearly playing Laughton at 3C right now.

He is 6th in TOI for forwards. I honestly don’t know what you are trying to say. Over his career he has consistently been a 15 goal 40 pt pace player who has excelled at even strength scoring and is currently playing 3C for a 2nd round playoff team.

I really don’t get what your point is.

His point is that he values point scoring a lot more than he should.

 

[SprDaVE]

What about Mangiapane as a UFA?

Andrew Mangiapane | 3yrs x 5.800M (WSH)

Andrew Mangiapane signed a 3 year, $17,400,000 contract with the Calgary Flames on Aug. 2, 2022. The contract has a cap hit of $5,800,000.

capwages.com

From Toronto and has some offensive skill. Could have be a winger on the Tavares and Nylander line?

I’m assuming Tavares is signed btw

Drafted and signed multiple times by Treliving in Calgary. Definitely see a connection there.

 

[francis246]

any interest or likelihood of us getting Isaac Howard?

We can’t get him until 2026 anyways. So that’s still a year away

 

[LeafParade]

Since Robertson is clearly gone. I was wondering if he could be packaged for Krebs?

You guys can keeping arguing about Laughton, but I still want Krebs.

 

[SprDaVE]

Since Robertson is clearly gone. I was wondering if he could be packaged for Krebs?

You guys can keeping arguing about Laughton, but I still want Krebs.

Would they take the 2nd + Robertson for Krebs? Seems unlikely and doesn't do much of anything for them. They have a solid group of wingers with Benson, Kulich, Quinn, Peterka, Greenway, etc etc and cap space isn't a problem. I feel like Buffalo will be trying hard (again) to make a push to relevancy and if they are trading Krebs, it'll probably be for an upgrade somewhere.

Robertson is definitely gone though. I've said it before but Dallas feels like a great partner for a Robertson trade. If the Leafs don't get bites he might even be unqualified. It would be pretty crappy but I can see it happening.

 

[LeafSteel]

I would honestly like to see what Robertson could do on the wing with a Center like Krebs or Donato.

Moving on from has all the same feelings of moving a young talented player that has been given the best opportunity to develop and show what they can do.

Would be happy to see him succeed somewhere, but I would hate knowing we never really gave him the best opportunity here first.

I still see Laughton as a 4C next season, and a 3rd line of:

McMann/Domi-Krebs/Donato-Robertson

….,, could be a very good line that could score.

Robertson still brings solid value and has development left ahead of him. We know Domi is better on the wing and Holmberg is a nothing burger at 3C. A 3C of Krebs or Donato would give Robertson the best Center that he would have had the opportunity to play with.

His potential value now as a low cost 15-20 goal scorer far exceeds any draft pick that we could get back for him in a trade.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Dude, the Leafs went to him and asked if he was interested. Pretty sure if he said he was okay with it, they would've traded him. They don't approach the question at all unless they are willing to do it.

That is possible, but it is also a professional courtesy to tell him that they have received an offer and express their desire for him to stay. Tell him ultimately, the decision is yours.