WTFMAN99
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I think Jarnkrok will definitely have a market, especially post July 1st when his actual salary is around 775k owed when the Leafs have paid out the bonus.
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I think Jarnkrok will definitely have a market, especially post July 1st when his actual salary is around 775k owed when the Leafs have paid out the bonus.
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So much is up in the air right now... mostly, how does this team perform, and will we "run it back"?
That determines pretty much everything from there... do you make changes, how drastic are these?
Running it back... and signing every UFA, and every RFA, that is currently a roster player, mostly using the numbers CapWages projects... and you end up signing as follows.
Marner $12.567 x 8
Tavares $5mil x 5
Knies $5 mil x 3
Lorentz $1.37 x 2
Robertson $1.021 x 2
This still has Kampf, Reaves, Jarnkrok in the lineup... 23 players and $1.353 mil left in the cap.
Now, the question becomes, will Knies and or Tavares want more?
Players I'd love to have on next years roster... Kiefer Sherwood. I think he'd make a great line, with Lorentz and Laughton.. physical guy, reasonable contract. I'm not sure exactly why Vancouver would want to move him though, but they are a mess out there... so you never know. They only have two real C's signed, that they used much this year... so perhaps Kampf + Jarnkrok would be attractive to them. Given the clown show, they might have some difficultly attracting Free Agents.
From there... I guess it's a wait and see how the playoffs go...
That determines pretty much everything from there... do you make changes, how drastic are these?
Running it back... and signing every UFA, and every RFA, that is currently a roster player, mostly using the numbers CapWages projects... and you end up signing as follows.
Marner $12.567 x 8
Tavares $5mil x 5
Knies $5 mil x 3
Lorentz $1.37 x 2
Robertson $1.021 x 2
This still has Kampf, Reaves, Jarnkrok in the lineup... 23 players and $1.353 mil left in the cap.
Now, the question becomes, will Knies and or Tavares want more?
Players I'd love to have on next years roster... Kiefer Sherwood. I think he'd make a great line, with Lorentz and Laughton.. physical guy, reasonable contract. I'm not sure exactly why Vancouver would want to move him though, but they are a mess out there... so you never know. They only have two real C's signed, that they used much this year... so perhaps Kampf + Jarnkrok would be attractive to them. Given the clown show, they might have some difficultly attracting Free Agents.
From there... I guess it's a wait and see how the playoffs go...
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He has a full NMC. It's going to be very hard to pull that off. And he's beloved both on and off the ice. I think the only way you can get him to waive is for Vancouver. But I think the Leafs will hold on to him and hope he bounces back with a more rounded defensive core to help him out.
That's fair. Having a steady partner in Carlo should help him rebound next year. As well as lesser role with no PP1 time
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It doesn't mean we MUST get rid of Mo... There is enough money to go around. That might be a choice that's made, depending on the rest of the playoffs though.
Vancouver is going to need a LD with experience, after they are basically forced to move Quinn Hughes to NJD.... So it might be an option on the table, if Mo would take it, and the team decides to move in a different direction.
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I did a mock, if we moved in a different direction... Moved Mo + Kampf to Vancouver for DeBrusk and Sherwood. Signed and traded Marner to LA for Clarke. Signed Kane to 1 year x $4mil. Signed Granlund. 4x $4.6 Signed Gavrikov $5.4 mil. Extended Knies and Tavares. Traded Jarnkrok, Domi, Reaves for basically nothing... though I suspect we'd get something, I didn't care for this exercise.
Knies Matthews Kane
DeBrusk Tavares Nylander
McMann Granlund Robertson
Lorentz Laughton Sherwood
Holmberg
McCabe Tanev
Gavrikov Carlo
OEL Brandt
Benoit
I have $9 mil in cap space leftover... which we can spend somewhere on a one year deal, or just save the cap space in case any really good C's become available the year after.
I mean, you've got the capacity to do something crazy, like not extend Robertson, and offer Ehlers a 1 year x $10 mil contract or something....
Then you'd have
Knies Matthews Kane
DeBrusk Tavares Nylander
McMann Granlund Ehlers
Lorentz Laughton Sherwood.
That's kind of a crazy forward group.
You would have around $20-25 mil the year after, with McMann, Laughton, Sherwood, Kane, Ehlers and Stolarz expiring. You'd likely have Cowan coming up on a minimum contract at that point, maybe one of the C's as well.
Knies Matthews Kane
DeBrusk Tavares Nylander
McMann Granlund Robertson
Lorentz Laughton Sherwood
Holmberg
McCabe Tanev
Gavrikov Carlo
OEL Brandt
Benoit
I have $9 mil in cap space leftover... which we can spend somewhere on a one year deal, or just save the cap space in case any really good C's become available the year after.
I mean, you've got the capacity to do something crazy, like not extend Robertson, and offer Ehlers a 1 year x $10 mil contract or something....
Then you'd have
Knies Matthews Kane
DeBrusk Tavares Nylander
McMann Granlund Ehlers
Lorentz Laughton Sherwood.
That's kind of a crazy forward group.
You would have around $20-25 mil the year after, with McMann, Laughton, Sherwood, Kane, Ehlers and Stolarz expiring. You'd likely have Cowan coming up on a minimum contract at that point, maybe one of the C's as well.
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If we're allowed to imagine a world without Marner - this is how I see it today:
I am assuming there is no team that Rielly would waive for that would also take him.
In a world where Marner doesn't come back I see Vegas as the obvious fit. They have the best C depth in the league and they could use a high end winger alongside Dorofeyev and Hertl. Vegas would obviously need to clear cap and I suspect they would have no issues doing so. I wonder if they'd be willing to do a sign and trade to guarantee they get Marner, and give him 8 years. Karlsson for Marner would make sense. I assume that Marner's value in a sign and trade is slightly higher than what Guentzel went for last year (3rd round pick). Karlsson's value is probably a 2nd - he is one season removed from scoring 30 goals and he's still very good defensively. He has 2 years left at 5.9M.
Now the Leafs need to backfill the offense and the UFA class doesn't look good. I am assuming Bennett re-signs and Boeser/Ehlers just don't excite me given that they'll probably get 7.5M+.
Dallas is likely bringing back all of Dadonov, Duchene and Benn which means they need to clear significant cap (likely Marchment and Dumba). I can see a draft day trade: Marchment for FLA 2nd+Robertson.
Philly is desperate for a goalie and they have a glut of good wingers now. Konecny just re-signed and he's not moving. Michkov is the savior and he's not moving. I could see them being willing to part with one of Foerster or Tippett for Woll. I think Tippett is the more likely to move given both of their ages. Woll for Tippett. Leafs probably need to add but not a ton. This assumes Stolarz keeps the starting job for the remainder of the playoffs.
Now the Leafs need a back up goalie. Detroit just acquired Mrazek and they have Talbot with 1 year left at 2.5M. They also have Cossa in the minors and a top 5 goalie prospect in Augustine still in College who won't sign because he's blocked by Cossa. They need to make some room before Augustine walks to UFA. They just traded their 4C and don't have anyone ready to step in. Talbot for Kampf makes sense for both sides.
I am assuming Tavares is coming back for however much money is left over. I am also assuming Lorentz is coming back (1M?). I am also assuming Knies is heading towards a bridge deal, I doubt the Leafs are ready to commit 9M to him right now and that's probably what he's seeking on a long-term deal. 2x6-6.5M seems like a fair compromise.
Knies-Matthews-Tippett
McMann-Karlsson-Nylander
Marchment-Tavares-Domi
Lorentz-Laughton-Jarnkrok
Holmberg
McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Carlo
OEL-Myers
Benoit
Stolarz
Talbot
In a perfect world they find a way to move on from Domi and sign Mangiapane or even play Cowan there.
I am assuming there is no team that Rielly would waive for that would also take him.
In a world where Marner doesn't come back I see Vegas as the obvious fit. They have the best C depth in the league and they could use a high end winger alongside Dorofeyev and Hertl. Vegas would obviously need to clear cap and I suspect they would have no issues doing so. I wonder if they'd be willing to do a sign and trade to guarantee they get Marner, and give him 8 years. Karlsson for Marner would make sense. I assume that Marner's value in a sign and trade is slightly higher than what Guentzel went for last year (3rd round pick). Karlsson's value is probably a 2nd - he is one season removed from scoring 30 goals and he's still very good defensively. He has 2 years left at 5.9M.
Now the Leafs need to backfill the offense and the UFA class doesn't look good. I am assuming Bennett re-signs and Boeser/Ehlers just don't excite me given that they'll probably get 7.5M+.
Dallas is likely bringing back all of Dadonov, Duchene and Benn which means they need to clear significant cap (likely Marchment and Dumba). I can see a draft day trade: Marchment for FLA 2nd+Robertson.
Philly is desperate for a goalie and they have a glut of good wingers now. Konecny just re-signed and he's not moving. Michkov is the savior and he's not moving. I could see them being willing to part with one of Foerster or Tippett for Woll. I think Tippett is the more likely to move given both of their ages. Woll for Tippett. Leafs probably need to add but not a ton. This assumes Stolarz keeps the starting job for the remainder of the playoffs.
Now the Leafs need a back up goalie. Detroit just acquired Mrazek and they have Talbot with 1 year left at 2.5M. They also have Cossa in the minors and a top 5 goalie prospect in Augustine still in College who won't sign because he's blocked by Cossa. They need to make some room before Augustine walks to UFA. They just traded their 4C and don't have anyone ready to step in. Talbot for Kampf makes sense for both sides.
I am assuming Tavares is coming back for however much money is left over. I am also assuming Lorentz is coming back (1M?). I am also assuming Knies is heading towards a bridge deal, I doubt the Leafs are ready to commit 9M to him right now and that's probably what he's seeking on a long-term deal. 2x6-6.5M seems like a fair compromise.
Knies-Matthews-Tippett
McMann-Karlsson-Nylander
Marchment-Tavares-Domi
Lorentz-Laughton-Jarnkrok
Holmberg
McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Carlo
OEL-Myers
Benoit
Stolarz
Talbot
In a perfect world they find a way to move on from Domi and sign Mangiapane or even play Cowan there.
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Interesting thinking. Though if they're going to lose Marner, keeping goaltender depth remains as important as ever. I don't see a need. Move on from the current setup until they have a former idea about if Stolarz can handle 60+ games plus what his contract demands will be
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I like speed and skill but I feel like this is a little too much into the small soft speedy territory. DeBrusk has size but he's pretty JVR-esque in terms of compete, Kane, Ehlers and Granlund are skilled and capable but all kinda have the same skillset to a team that needs more in terms cycling and physicality in their game. I would not bother with Kane and go after Bennett (if price makes sense), Tanev and/or Appleton.
I like Sherwood a lot though.
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If you can turn Woll into a player that can contribute every game (like Tippett) and you can acquire a good platoon option (like Talbot), I don’t see the benefit of keeping Woll.
It’s dependent on whether or not Stolarz keeps the net for the rest of the playoffs.
Lorentz - Laughton have something solid going on. Jeannot added via free agency would make that line such a pain in the ass to play against.
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I don't think Bennett makes it to Free Agency, so he wasn't on my radar. I don't disagree with your thinking though. Kane and Ehlers are kind of stop gaps, with one year deals.
Anyone get to watch Haymes with the Marlies? What are our impressions of him? I’ve heard he plays a bit of a heavier forward game as well..
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He's shown some pretty good skill and vision offensively. His skating might hold him back? But he's been solid early in his pro career.
Here’s hoping our development coaches can mold him to challenge for a spot in camp next year.
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Knies type players, are one of the rarest things in hockey. Big body, physical, true power forwards who can score. I don't disagree with you, but I don't think there is a single player available as UFA, who really meets that type of criteria.
Tanner Jeannot plays a physical game, but he's a fourth line player.
Taylor Hall was once physical, but now he's an injury risk as much as anything.
Anthony Mantha has size... had speed, not sure how he'll be post knee surgery... not really physical, and more a third line guy...
Of course there is Sam Bennett... but I think he extends with Florida....
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I like the idea of Lorentz-Laughton-B.Tanev
Adds some speed to our line up that we despearately need.
Cant wait to see that as a #3 line next season.
A similar contract to his brothers (5-6yr @ $2.5) should easily lock him down.
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He's a bit older, I was thinking like 2 years around 2.25-2.5M range but we'd definitely need to be moving on from Jarnkrok and Kampf.
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Tanev is a decent option.
Kiefer Sherwood is a Vancouver player I'd love to grab. (Not a free agent) He's a late bloomer, but put up 40 points, and 462!! hits this year. He's about the same size as Tanev.
Jack McBain is another guy I'd love to target. Good size, super physical, can play C as well. Toronto boy, but just a RFA at this point.
However... Alex Steeves had 19 hits, in 7 games with us, while putting up 2 points, and being a +3. He put up 36 goals in 59 games... why we don't give him a shot, I'll never know.
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I can't see why he'd want to stay... the clock is clicking on his career, and I think he's done enough to show he deserves a NHL shot. It's a shame he'll probably do well elsewhere.
