Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

If this team once again fails to proceed very far in the playoffs, what would you want them to do?

  • Do nothing, run it back

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • Make changes to the offense, top 6 forward, better bottom six, but keep the core

    Votes: 6 10.9%
  • Make changes to the offense, including moving core players

    Votes: 20 36.4%
  • Make changes to the defense

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • Do a retool, including moving core players

    Votes: 26 47.3%
  • Ban the guy who keeps making jinx prediction posts.

    Votes: 11 20.0%

  • Total voters
    55
He's still a PPG center, somebody is going to give him to much money and term imo
Our problem is if he walks we don't have a replacement for him

I'd offer Marner 13×8, but on July 1st I'm spending that money, I wouldn't want him leaving and all the good UFA'S go as well so I have 13M in cap space with nothing to spend it on

I don't think I can get to 13M on Marner personally, at least not actual cap hit.

11 to mid 12 is fine for actual cap hit.

13M but defers 500kish per year for a 12.5M cap hit - mutually beneficial deal.

If he wants 13M - it would need to involve deferrals but we can give him all the other nice stuff that comes with this market, 92% signing bonuses (Rantanen didn't get near this), full NMC and frontload the deal to the absolute max.
 
I don't think I can get to 13M on Marner personally, at least not actual cap hit.

11 to mid 12 is fine for actual cap hit.

13M but defers 500kish per year for a 12.5M cap hit - mutually beneficial deal.

If he wants 13M - it would need to involve deferrals but we can give him all the other nice stuff that comes with this market, 92% signing bonuses (Rantanen didn't get near this), full NMC and frontload the deal to the absolute max.

I can live with 13M, with the cap rising I think you can still build a team around it, there's enough money in the bottom 6 I'd be keen on ditching to help with the cap to
 
He can ask, personally wouldn't entertain it at all.

7M 1 year
6M 2 year
5M or less for 3 years, he's 34 and every year with his skating is a gamble as to when he just falls off.

I guess a lot more would depend on how the playoff goes for the team collectively and him individually.

Priority would be

Knies
Marner
JT

Eliminate the offer sheet threat
Get to Marner while you can offer 8 years
JT isn't getting max term and doesn't want to play elsewhere, see what we have left to pay him.



That is a PTO and maybe a 4th line centre discussion but expecting more than that isn't wise.
I’m not saying you change your entire strategy around a 3rd liner
 
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I don’t think they ever said July 1.
I think they said they would negotiate after they are done the playoffs.

July 1 is a very important distinction.
There is no negotiating period anymore. I’m sure he can get An idea. But he already has that.

It will be every interesting if Marner really wants to go full heel and give up his spot on legends row.

Mirtle/Jonas have said specifically they don't see anything happening until July.

Doesn't mean minds can't change in the meantime though.
 
The Leafs want to keep Marner.

Despite Nylander being much more mild-mannered and his camp fire quieter than the Marner one, the Nylander peddling by the Leafs before he signed an extension got out and was everywhere. We even know the Leafs were hunting for the best Dman available in any potential return.

So it stands to reason that the reason the Leafs didn't do the same with Marner, was because not only did they know the Marner camp has the full NMC, but there was a 100% guarantee that any peddling/whispering/quiet trade talks trying to gauge the league's interest in Marner, would have gotten out and made it's way back to Team Marner.

And at that point, knowing how they take so much of this quite personally, any extension possibility is likely right off the table.

My read of the trade deadline situation with Rantanen is that the calculus for the Leafs has changed - they are far more desperate now, knowing they aren't going to get him resigned. There really isn't any "need" to gauge the player's interest in a trade. You either like the deal enough that you present it to the player to get a deal done, or you're confident that the player is going to sign / say no, that you simply don't even take it to him.

By not only taking it to him, but by going public with it for no apparent reason, I think was the nuclear option to put all the pressure and focus away from the organization as they gear up for the fact that one of their most high profile players is about to walk for nothing.

I don't think it's overly complicated either

The Leafs first priority was to try and get an extension done - something they have reportedly tried to do over much do the season.

We know the Marner camp has refused to negotiate.

Carolina comes into the picture, Ranatanen reportedly is fine signing an extension in Toronto..in response to the inability to close the Marner contract, they ask if he's instead willing to waive. If he said yes he'd be a Hurricane right now.

In a few weeks he either signs an extension and everyone tries to forget this all. Or he walks and Tre and Shanny (rightfully) get raked over the coals for not dealing with this during the Spring/Summer of 2024.
 
I'm with you on Krebs... he has 9 points in his last 12 games... like I said before the deadline, he's a real C, and I think there is more there. He would have cost a 3rd, maybe a 4th to pick up... but he doesn't have a big brand name, so we didn't go hunting for him... I'm still interested though.

I'm not sure Quillan is ready, but it's cheap enough to extend Holmberg in case he isn't. Youve missed Laughton in your lineup, for better or worse, he's ours. I'm with you on moving Kampf, Jarnkrork,

The rest of the lineup for me.. is wait and see until after the playoffs, and whether we have success or not.
Thought about Laughton. I don't love where he fits in the lineup, to be honest. Never thought he was a fit from the get go, and he hasn't shown anything otherwise.

Yes, he has played better of late, but looking at our roster, I don't see who he beats out on our 3rd line.

My best case scenario is he shows some benefit and value in the playoffs, and we are able to move him in the offseason as part of a package or picks. 50% retained for 25-26 hopefully will appeal to someone (Buffalo? Chicago?).

I don't think he's a long-term fit here and I hope Management is able to see it and move on with something of value back.
 
I doubt you would have enough money for two guys and I'm pretty meh on Ehlers, I'd take him but I wouldn't overpay to get him

My thought was Domi is a playmaking pass first righty, he's a poor man's Marner but I think that line would still function

I wouldn't mind a midfle 6 LW and C upgrade though
 
Thought about Laughton. I don't love where he fits in the lineup, to be honest. Never thought he was a fit from the get go, and he hasn't shown anything otherwise.

Yes, he has played better of late, but looking at our roster, I don't see who he beats out on our 3rd line.

My best case scenario is he shows some benefit and value in the playoffs, and we are able to move him in the offseason as part of a package or picks. 50% retained for 25-26 hopefully will appeal to someone (Buffalo? Chicago?).

I don't think he's a long-term fit here and I hope Management is able to see it and move on with something of value back.
I disagree, while he isn't off to the greatest start he is definitely a fit moving forward, his cap hit is terrific and brings intangibles this team needs in its bottom 6
 
I disagree, while he isn't off to the greatest start he is definitely a fit moving forward, his cap hit is terrific and brings intangibles this team needs in its bottom 6
Fair enough.

Where do you see him slotting in?

4th line isn’t a great option for a guy earning $1.5m, and I like my 3 guys in the 3rd line more.

Would rather spend his money on signing Donato or trading for Krebs. Both have more potential and are better long term fits.
 
Fair enough.

Where do you see him slotting in?

4th line isn’t a great option for a guy earning $1.5m, and I like my 3 guys in the 3rd line more.

Would rather spend his money on signing Donato or trading for Krebs. Both have more potential and are better long term fits.
Considering we’re currently paying 2.4 million for our 4th line center, 1.5 million instead would actually be fantastic.
 
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Considering we’re currently paying 2.4 million for our 4th line center, 1.5 million instead would actually be fantastic.
Putting Quillan or Holmberg there, and punting $2.4 Kampf, $1.5 Laughton, and $2.1 Jarnkrok works for me.

Drop Reaves $1.35, and that $7.5m in wasted cap space freed up for players that fit and have development potential.

Getting no any picks for them, or using them as trade capital is gravy from my perspective.
 
Fair enough.

Where do you see him slotting in?

4th line isn’t a great option for a guy earning $1.5m, and I like my 3 guys in the 3rd line more.

Would rather spend his money on signing Donato or trading for Krebs. Both have more potential and are better long term fits.
Seeing as we are currently paying Kampf 2.4 to play 4C I'll gladly take Laughton to that 4C job better at 1.5 for this season, next season I see him slotting back into a 3rd line role
 
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Seeing as we are currently paying Kampf 2.4 to play 4C I'll gladly take Laughton to that 4C job better at 1.5 for this season, next season I see him slotting back into a 3rd line role

Yes, Dowd may actually play 4C for Caps next year 3M
 
4th line isn’t a great option for a guy earning $1.5m, and I like my 3 guys in the 3rd line more.
It wasn't under a 70 million cap, but at 95?

I see guys like Laughton and Jarncrok - the coaches dream, fanbase bane, vanilla swiss army knives - at a combined 3.6 as bringing a lot of versatility into a bottom 6, at cap hits you don't mind pushing down the lineup when kids steal spots/ you trade for someone.

Laughton-xxx-Jarncrok is pretty such as well insulated as you can get for a young C breaking into the league, and depending on the rookie it's either a 3rd or 4th line
 
It wasn't under a 70 million cap, but at 95?

I see guys like Laughton and Jarncrok - the coaches dream, fanbase bane, vanilla swiss army knives - at a combined 3.6 as bringing a lot of versatility into a bottom 6, at cap hits you don't mind pushing down the lineup when kids steal spots/ you trade for someone.

Laughton-xxx-Jarncrok is pretty such as well insulated as you can get for a young C breaking into the league, and depending on the rookie it's either a 3rd or 4th line
Solid point made here, but that has to be your 4th line, and we’ve already to Lorentz for 4LW at a lower cap hit.

For 4RW, we have Marlies like Steeves to try, and UFA’s like Tanev, who will also cost less.

Tired of Swiss Knife (translation: vanilla) players like Jarnkrok and Kerfloof . Paying a premium for nothing special talents also doesn’t interest me.
 
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Solid point made here, but that has to be your 4th line, and we’ve already to Lorentz for 4LW at a lower cap hit.

For 4RW, we have Marlies like Steeves to try, and UFA’s like Tanev, who will also cost less.

Tired of Swiss Knife (translation: vanilla) players like Jarnkrok. Paying a premier nothing special talents also doesn’t interest me.
I'd like to move past having multiple as day 1/healthy roster top 9 filler, but having guys that can play multiple non-sheltered middle 6 positions stashed on your 4th line is a huge plus through an 82 game season + playoff run.

None of Lorentz, Steeves, or Tanev are Leafs property for next year, and I have my doubts if Lorentz/Tanev will come in materially cheaper than 1.5-2 in a rising cap environment.
 
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I'd like to move past having multiple as day 1/healthy roster top 9 filler, but having guys that can play multiple non-sheltered middle 6 positions stashed on your 4th line is a huge plus through an 82 game season + playoff run.

None of Lorentz, Steeves, or Tanev are Leafs property for next year, and I have my doubts if Lorentz/Tanev will come in materially cheaper than 1.5-2 in a rising cap environment.
I’m not committed to Tanev. Lorentz makes under $2m. Do you see him doubling his salary based on anything he’s done thus far?

Cheers.
 
Projections have him around $1.394... that's not too bad for him.
This is what I see for Lorentz too.

Tanev strikes me as a guy who would sign for less than market value to come play with his brother.

If not, he’s welcome to get as much money somewhere else as he possibly can get. No begrudging him for that. Dude plays for every penny he makes.
 
I’m not committed to Tanev. Lorentz makes under $2m. Do you see him doubling his salary based on anything he’s done thus far?
As below, right now it's not hard to something in the 1.25-1.75 range- more if he makes any kind of impact of note in the playoffs. That's not not materially cheaper. I might be entirely wrong, but I don't expect proven NHLers that provide + level value at any role to be signed for less than 1.5 this summer. I wouldn't be surprised at pretty pedestrian 4th liners and 6-7D knocking on 2-2.5 with regularity.

I'm fine to have him in the mix at that money, depending on how things in the top of the line up shake out a 4th line + 13F of Laughton/Lorentz/Jarncrok/Holmberg would be pretty solid.
 
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As below, right now it's not hard to something in the 1.25-1.75 range- more if he makes any kind of impact of note in the playoffs. That's not not materially cheaper. I might be entirely wrong, but I don't expect proven NHLers that provide + level value at any role to be signed for less than 1.5 this summer. I wouldn't be surprised at pretty pedestrian 4th liners and 6-7D knocking on 2-2.5 with regularity.

I'm fine to have him in the mix at that money, depending on how things in the top of the line up shake out a 4th line + 13F of Laughton/Lorentz/Jarncrok/Holmberg would be pretty solid.
Finding a 2C/3C is a bigger priority for me.

Ideal is a trade for Krebs. Otherwise I’m in on Donato, close to Domi’ contract.

I would rather have $4-4.5m for Donato to push 2C or a very good 3C who can get guys like McMann and Robertson points than paying $3.6m for Jarnkrok and Laughton to play on the 4th line. Add to it that I think both would have some trade value in addition to freeing up cap space, and I’m comfortable with moving off from both and promoting from within for the 4the line.

Lorentz, Quillan, Steeves I think can be good value and has further development opportunity. Homberg is still an option as well, and we will have Cowan knocking on the door as well (would prefer him on the Marlies next season though).
 
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