Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Kiwi]

Losing one of the best wingers in the league to sort out the bottom 6 is not likely going to make us a better team.

If he goes he goes, might as well try a different team building tactic instead of being so top heavy and have depth throughout the lineup

 

[Menzinger]

I think Ehlers is going to get overpaid, he's a good player but I'd be careful
Kane is good but getting on in age so I'm leery of him and I don't mind Roslovic but somebody is going to see a center and throw a ton of money at him imo

Kane would be an option on a 1 year deal like they did with Bert and Domi during Tres first year.

 

[TMLAM34]

I considered Detroit because of the fact Tessa Virtue's family are in the Windsor area - I had previously thought the West is more likely.


I'd be curious what Seattle would want on top of Rielly for Dunn as apparently they wanted to shake up their D core.

I can see Detroit being an option for Rielly. Aside from Vancouver and Seattle, I could see Detroit and the Rangers being two other options.

 

[Leaffan1991]

This is all depending on Marner walking of course but I would try to sign
Kane
Tanev
Jeannot
Gourde
Mangiapane

resign
Tavares
Knies
Lorentz

Try and trade out Kampf, Jarnkrok, Domi

Knies Matthews Kane
Mangiapane Tavares Nylander
McMann Gourde Laughton
Lorentz Tanev Jeannot

A much more legit bottom 6

 

[Dreakmur]

This is all depending on Marner walking of course but I would try to sign
Kane
Tanev
Jeannot
Gourde
Mangiapane

resign
Tavares
Knies
Lorentz

Try and trade out Kampf, Jarnkrok, Domi

Knies Matthews Kane
Mangiapane Tavares Nylander
McMann Gourde Laughton
Lorentz Tanev Jeannot

A much more legit bottom 6

Brandon Tanev has never played center in the NHL.

 

[LeafSteel]

This is all depending on Marner walking of course but I would try to sign
Kane
Tanev
Jeannot
Gourde
Mangiapane

resign
Tavares
Knies
Lorentz

Try and trade out Kampf, Jarnkrok, Domi

Knies Matthews Kane
Mangiapane Tavares Nylander
McMann Gourde Laughton
Lorentz Tanev Jeannot

A much more legit bottom 6

Some interesting names here, but we also need to be better on defence.

3RHD could use bolstering and Hakanpaa is done.

Would still like to target a young RHD like Korczak, but we need more RHD talent.

I like Myers but we are still thin there.

 

[aingefan]

Some interesting names here, but we also need to be better on defence.

3RHD could use bolstering and Hakanpaa is done.

Would still like to target a young RHD like Korczak, but we need more RHD talent.

I like Myers but we are still thin there.

Agreed.
Dante Fabbro would be a FA option here. I aways think of him as post hype sneaky good.
Perbix is another one a poster brought up.
Always nice to pilfer from a main competitor.

 

[TMLAM34]

Agreed.
Dante Fabbro would be a FA option here. I aways think of him as post hype sneaky good.
Perbix is another one a poster brought up.
Always nice to pilfer from a main competitor.

I mentioned Perbix not too long ago but with Carlo here now, don’t think either Fabbro or Perbix would be in the picture. I can see Fabbro costing anywhere from 4-5 million per and Perbix 3-4 million per, both outside the range we can afford for a third pair RHD.

Would love to go after Korczak. See some younger legs injected into our blueline. Not sure what the cost would be.

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Carlo
Ekman Larsson - Korczak
Myers

 

[SprDaVE]

Im not sure this team survives as a "contender" with Marner walking for nothing back. It would take some serious GMing from Treliving to navigate that. I think the Leafs better be prepared to overpay and work around it as opposed to the opposite.

 

[LaPlante94]

Im not sure this team survives as a "contender" with Marner walking for nothing back. It would take some serious GMing from Treliving to navigate that. I think the Leafs better be prepared to overpay and work around it as opposed to the opposite.

Matthews, Nylander, Tavares and Knies isn't enough to be considered a contender now?

 

[darrylsittler27]

Im not sure this team survives as a "contender" with Marner walking for nothing back. It would take some serious GMing from Treliving to navigate that. I think the Leafs better be prepared to overpay and work around it as opposed to the opposite.

They can overpay by getting rid of Tavares, Kampf, Jarnkrok etc.The problem isn't there if we lose 2nd round again.

 

[SprDaVE]

Matthews, Nylander, Tavares and Knies isn't enough to be considered a contender now?

In the Atlantic? Probably not. Like I said, they'll need to pull off some serious moves/signings to off-set that loss.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I mentioned Perbix not too long ago but with Carlo here now, don’t think either Fabbro or Perbix would be in the picture. I can see Fabbro costing anywhere from 4-5 million per and Perbix 3-4 million per, both outside the range we can afford for a third pair RHD.

Would love to go after Korczak. See some younger legs injected into our blueline. Not sure what the cost would be.

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Carlo
Ekman Larsson - Korczak
Myers

You make a good point about younger legs. They maybe gambling Niemela, Danford, Villeneuve or Chadwick push next year.

 

[LaPlante94]

In the Atlantic? Probably not. Like I said, they'll need to pull off some serious moves/signings to off-set that loss.

What other Atlantic team has way better than those 4 that makes that group not a contender though? TB the only other team in the Atlantic that's considered a contender to have more than 1 or 2 guys with 70+ points. Majority of the Cup favourites are the same way. We'll be contenders with those 4 for as long as they buy in and compete just like we'll always be contenders if Marner stays and buys in and competes.

 

[SprDaVE]

What other Atlantic team has way better than those 4 that makes that group not a contender though? TB the only other team in the Atlantic that's considered a contender to have more than 1 or 2 guys with 70+ points. Majority of the Cup favourites are the same way. We'll be contenders with those 4 for as long as they buy in and compete just like we'll always be contenders if Marner stays and buys in and competes.

With the Sens and Habs climbing the quality ladder and TB and Florida still very much top end teams, the margins are slim. It doesn't take much to go from contender to out of the playoffs, especially in the Atlantic. Just look at the Rangers, Bruins and Canucks.

I think it'll take some very good maneuvering to off-set that kind of loss. Not sure buying in is all that's needed when you lose a 95+ point all around player.

 

[LaPlante94]

With the Sens and Habs climbing the quality ladder and TB and Florida still very much top end teams, the margins are slim. It doesn't take much to go from contender to out of the playoffs, especially in the Atlantic. Just look at the Rangers, Bruins and Canucks.

I think it'll take some very good maneuvering to off-set that kind of loss. Not sure buying in is all that's needed when you lose a 95+ point all around player.

Canucks only had 1 good year and then had problems with players not getting along so they traded the better player to keep their younger #1C happy. Boston has been on the decline after a decades long run and losing their top 2 centers and then trading off everything else this year when they were still in the hunt or close enough to make it still. Losing McAvoy at the Four Nations for the season was probably the nail in the coffin to start their rebuild though. Rangers are just becoming an aging core that was never really anything special unless Shesterkin carried them.

This team always seems to play better with one of our good players out because they play simple hockey which limits dumb turnovers that can cost us. I'm sure there's FAs that could help out as well and Cowan will eventually fill in that void of being a good all around player. If he wants to play hardball then let him. Another team will massively overpay for him because that is what teams do in FA if that is what his end goal is here. Again though, we don't need to replace his 90 points because Matthews is already a 100 point player and Nylander is a 90 point players as well. Majority of these contenders are filled with players getting 30-50 points and 1 or 2 guys getting 70+.

 

[Donnie740]

You make a good point about younger legs. They maybe gambling Niemela, Danford, Villeneuve or Chadwick push next year.

I can assure you that Danford will absolutely not be ready to step into the Leafs defensive top six next year.

 

[thewave]

What other Atlantic team has way better than those 4 that makes that group not a contender though? TB the only other team in the Atlantic that's considered a contender to have more than 1 or 2 guys with 70+ points. Majority of the Cup favourites are the same way. We'll be contenders with those 4 for as long as they buy in and compete just like we'll always be contenders if Marner stays and buys in and competes.

Need players on good deals to win in the NHL

 

[darrylsittler27]

I can assure you that Danford will absolutely not be ready to step into the Leafs defensive top six next year.

I'm afraid none of them are. This team is built to contend for 2 years. Even that first to Philly is conditional. We have a vet defense and are win now.

 

[Fogelhund]

You make a good point about younger legs. They maybe gambling Niemela, Danford, Villeneuve or Chadwick push next year.

Villeneuve is the only guy there that might be capable of taking that next step next year. Niemela I'd say won't be back with the org next year. The other two will need a few years of AHL play, if they become good enough for the NHL.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

in a perfect world you magically upgrade Rielly to a proper 1st pairing D in the offseason, but i just don't see that happening, both in terms of Rielly not waiving and 1st pairing D are just not readily available, and we don't have assets.
I wouldn't classify any of the D UFA as clear 1D

 

[darrylsittler27]

Villeneuve is the only guy there that might be capable of taking that next step next year. Niemela I'd say won't be back with the org next year. The other two will need a few years of AHL play, if they become good enough for the NHL.

Niemela won't be back unless he commits to put on bulk, look at our defense. But we don't have room in our top 5 next year either. The Leafs need to find the next Weber or Suban in the 2nd.

 

[aingefan]

I mentioned Perbix not too long ago but with Carlo here now, don’t think either Fabbro or Perbix would be in the picture. I can see Fabbro costing anywhere from 4-5 million per and Perbix 3-4 million per, both outside the range we can afford for a third pair RHD.

Would love to go after Korczak. See some younger legs injected into our blueline. Not sure what the cost would be.

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Carlo
Ekman Larsson - Korczak
Myers

I can see a scenario where the team wants to go younger/cheaper.
WillyNeuve/Niemela could compete with Myers/Benoit. Assuming the teams throwing the gauntlet down for Topi.
But if Mitch jumps ship, I see a few bucks rerouted to the back end.
I don’t have a crystal ball, but I’m not sure Fabbro gets that kinda offer being on waivers this year at just 2.5 - meaning no one was willing to trade for it.
Jokiharju is another guy who seems good for a low-cost short term deal.

 

[SprDaVE]

in a perfect world you magically upgrade Rielly to a proper 1st pairing D in the offseason, but i just don't see that happening, both in terms of Rielly not waiving and 1st pairing D are just not readily available, and we don't have assets.
I wouldn't classify any of the D UFA as clear 1D

I think we also underestimate the ability for a player to bounce back. Many people were done with JT last year and he's been very good this year.

Rielly will never be a defensive powerhouse so I think people that want that will always complain. He just needs to be better in terms of offense and creating offense. Even in a bad year he's by far our better point producer.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I think we also underestimate the ability for a player to bounce back. Many people were done with JT last year and he's been very good this year.

Rielly will never be a defensive powerhouse so I think people that want that will always complain. He just needs to be better in terms of offense and creating offense. Even in a bad year he's by far our better point producer.

My problem with him is even when his counting stats are better, he’s still not creating a lot of offense, he’s just present for it and sometimes the puck needs to rotate out to the point. That’s not in comparison to a Makar or Hughes, but even to budget guys like Ghostisbehere. He’s shown more of that in the playoffs at least, so here’s hoping.