Value of: Rossi to Flyers

[Dr Jan Itor]

What we get back for Rossi depends on how many targets we have during UFA. If it's just Nelson, then yeah, they're probably going to want a player swap. If it's Nelson and (let's say) Boeser, then all the cap is used up and they can't do a player swap, so picks/prospects are most definitely in play.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

If Minnesota is trading Rossi's RFA rights, he's almost definitely getting traded for picks. Teams don't trade players under contract for RFAs who need a contract.

The only example I can think of was Vilardi going back for PLD, but that deal also included a good bit of futures going to Winnipeg as well.



I mean yeah I would to, but when has a move like that happened in the NHL?

Then we keep him? You seem to be under the impression you can force Minnesota’s hand. You’re wrong.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Then we keep him? You seem to be under the impression you can force Minnesota’s hand. You’re wrong.

What if he doesn't want to sign with you for the moeny you're offering?

No one is trying to "force Minnesota's hand". I'm pointing out that RFAs without contracts generally do not get traded for win-now help. Just like when you traded Fiala and got Faber and a 1st.

The last couple of notable RFA trades have been:

-PLD's rights for Vilardi, Iaffalo, Kupari and a 2nd
-DeBrincat's rights for Kubalik, Sebrango, a 1st and a 4th
-Fiala's rights for Faber and a 1st
-Reinhart's rights for Levi and a 1st

 

[DigitalBoldy]

What we get back for Rossi depends on how many targets we have during UFA. If it's just Nelson, then yeah, they're probably going to want a player swap. If it's Nelson and (let's say) Boeser, then all the cap is used up and they can't do a player swap, so picks/prospects are most definitely in play.

How are you trading for something like the Rangers pick this year if your plan is contingent on signing a couple free agents? The draft is BEFORE free agency starts.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Team don't trade win-now players for RFAs that want huge contracts. You're only going to get picks back for him.

if wild are only going to get picks for him, it will be in 26. Again, it's been made abundantly clear wild have no interest in 25 pick. People just lie and spew bs on twitter for no reason when it was quickly debunked in the athletic

 

[DigitalBoldy]

What if he doesn't want to sign with you for the moeny you're offering?

No one is trying to "force Minnesota's hand". I'm pointing out that RFAs without contracts generally do not get traded for win-now help. Just like when you traded Fiala and got Faber and a 1st.

And I’m telling you the Wild are not going to accept your offer of the Rangers 1st. If you can’t see that, then you’re incapable of seeing Minnesota’s needs.

Fiala was different. Minnesota had to trade him due to the cap. The situation is not the same.

 

[Empoleon8771]

And I’m telling you the Wild are not going to accept your offer of the Rangers 1st. If you can’t see that, then you’re incapable of seeing Minnesota’s needs.

Fiala was different. Minnesota had to trade him due to the cap. The situation is not the same.

Again, when was the last time a team got win-now talent for a RFA's rights? It simply doesn't happen.

The last couple of notable RFA trades have been:

-PLD's rights for Vilardi, Iaffalo, Kupari and a 2nd
-DeBrincat's rights for Kubalik, Sebrango, a 1st and a 4th
-Fiala's rights for Faber and a 1st
-Reinhart's rights for Levi and a 1st

These guys aren't being moved for win-now help, they're being moved for primarily futures. There is no reason to think Rossi is going to be any different. Minnesota may want win-now help, but there is no track record of teams trading good players under contract for RFAs who need big contract extensions.

Minnesota's best bet is to get futures for Rossi and then either use those futures for win-now help or keep the futures and spend money in free agency. If they're hoping to directly turn Rossi into win-now help, they're not going to be able to do it, at least if the past RFA trades prove to be indicative of future RFA trades. And him being an RFA without a contract while Minnesota apparently doesn't want to pay him makes their leverage even worse.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

How are you trading for something like the Rangers pick this year if your plan is contingent on signing a couple free agents? The draft is BEFORE free agency starts.

Luckily they have drafts every year.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

I have always maintained that I do not think Rossi will return what a normal 23yo top 6 center would because of the size concerns and the contract. You’re not just trading for the player. You have to be getting a player who you think you can sign to a good contract to really want to give up value.

 

[ctmagic]

its a typo. It's been debunked by wild beat writers Joe and Michael russo who has explicitly made it clear wild are seeking win now players and now picks especially in this draft. If you go to Philly board, they are saying the guy make crap up

Joe and Michael got married?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I have always maintained that I do not think Rossi will return what a normal 23yo top 6 center would because of the size concerns and the contract. You’re not just trading for the player. You have to be getting a player who you think you can sign to a good contract to really want to give up value.

Right. If the Wild are nervous about signing him longterm at $7M+, who else is ready too?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Joe and Michael got married?

NTTAWWT

 

[captainpaxil]

Edmonton's first and Philly's second round pick. That would give them the assets they need for win now help.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Edmonton's first and Philly's second round pick. That would give them the assets they need for win now help.

wild aren't looking for picks this year. so no. especially some crappy picks.

 

[MK9]

I have always maintained that I do not think Rossi will return what a normal 23yo top 6 center would because of the size concerns and the contract. You’re not just trading for the player. You have to be getting a player who you think you can sign to a good contract to really want to give up value.

That would be my belief as well, but with the amount of teams & bloggers I've seen saying they should jump on making the trade happen is significant. I think he'll fetch far more than the majority HFBoards knobs do.

 

[AKL]

That would be my belief as well, but with the amount of teams & bloggers I've seen saying they should jump on making the trade happen is significant. I think he'll fetch far more than the majority HFBoards knobs do.

I don't know how much it'll be, but I'm fairly confident it'll include some degree of equivalent young-ish player in a change of scenery type hockey deal. A piece like Foerster or Peterka or somewhere in that range from whoever ends up getting him. Or at the very least an NHL ready prospect. And it'll be for a F, not a D.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Again, when was the last time a team got win-now talent for a RFA's rights? It simply doesn't happen.

The last couple of notable RFA trades have been:

-PLD's rights for Vilardi, Iaffalo, Kupari and a 2nd
-DeBrincat's rights for Kubalik, Sebrango, a 1st and a 4th
-Fiala's rights for Faber and a 1st
-Reinhart's rights for Levi and a 1st

These guys aren't being moved for win-now help, they're being moved for primarily futures. There is no reason to think Rossi is going to be any different. Minnesota may want win-now help, but there is no track record of teams trading good players under contract for RFAs who need big contract extensions.

Minnesota's best bet is to get futures for Rossi and then either use those futures for win-now help or keep the futures and spend money in free agency. If they're hoping to directly turn Rossi into win-now help, they're not going to be able to do it, at least if the past RFA trades prove to be indicative of future RFA trades. And him being an RFA without a contract while Minnesota apparently doesn't want to pay him makes their leverage even worse.

Alright, you sold me. Rossi for McGroarty+Pens 2026 1st (top 5 protected). That’s the only offer from Pittsburgh I consider.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Alright, you sold me. Rossi for McGroarty+Pens 2026 1st (top 5 protected). That’s the only offer from Pittsburgh I consider.

"I was proven wrong so I'm going to keep doubling down and make myself look even more foolish"

Good talk

 

[Gurglesons]

Alright, you sold me. Rossi for McGroarty+Pens 2026 1st (top 5 protected). That’s the only offer from Pittsburgh I consider.

Do you really expect to get this type of return for a player who wants a huge contract, is tiny, doesn't have any discernable "elite" attributes, and who the team is likely interested in moving given their offseason additions and adding Yurov to the line-up will general erase the value he has now if he is continued to be used on L4 as he was when the Wild got healthy in the post season.

I'm not really interested in Rossi as a PIT fan, but getting their top forward prospect and a 1st just seems like a wild overestimate of what he'll return.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

"I was proven wrong so I'm going to keep doubling down and make myself look even more foolish"

Good talk

You haven’t proven anything except what rebuilding teams or teams with no cap space do. Minnesota is neither rebuilding nor lacking cap space.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You haven’t proven anything except what rebuilding teams or teams with no cap space do. Minnesota is neither rebuilding nor lacking cap space.

Okay, then prove me wrong. Provide a single example of a team trading RFA rights for win-now players under contract. Literally any example.

You can't because it hasn't happened.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Do you really expect to get this type of return for a player who wants a huge contract, is tiny, doesn't have any discernable "elite" attributes, and who the team is likely interested in moving given their offseason additions and adding Yurov to the line-up will general erase the value he has now if he is continued to be used on L4 as he was when the Wild got healthy in the post season.

I'm not really interested in Rossi as a PIT fan, but getting their top forward prospect and a 1st just seems like a wild overestimate of what he'll return.

I expect Rossi for Peterka or something similar. That Pit poster is just the worst with forcing their narrative in Rossi threads, so I’m throwing it back in their face.

 

[Spurgeon]

His ask is apparently a similar deal to Boldy's deal.

It’s a completely reasonable ask and I have legitimately no idea what the f*** Guerin is doing.

 

[Gurglesons]

I expect Rossi for Peterka or something similar. That Pit poster is just the worst with forcing their narrative in Rossi threads, so I’m throwing it back in their face.

I mean, good luck on that one man.

 

[Eegs]

I can understand why Rossi is asking for Boldy money.

Boldy is already a steal at 7M. Looks just about right for Marco.