Value of: Ross Colton to New Jersey

[Stephen Gionta]

With the Lightning up against the cap - and reportedly still trying to find a way to keep Alex Killorn - what would it take to pry Ross Colton out of Tampa? I'd have to think it would be low salary headed the other way.

Maybe Jesper Boqvist + a B prospect? Samu Salminen?

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[DatDude44]

There's blues fans willing to give up a late 1st, so idk....

 

[Blackjack]

Alex Chauvacy wrote about this and I don’t get it. NJ has too many wingers already. If they have a chance to add a game breaker, sure, but I don’t see how Colton is such a big upgrade over what they have in their bottom six and their system.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

There's blues fans willing to give up a late 1st, so idk....

Thankfully these fans aren’t our gm. He is strong bottom 6 winger, but due a big raise and doesn’t address any of our needs.

 

[Blackjack]

There's blues fans willing to give up a late 1st, so idk....

lol

 

[Empoleon8771]

There's blues fans willing to give up a late 1st, so idk....

Damn is Jim Rutherford a Blues fan now?

 

[DatDude44]

lol

I'm serious lol....I'm not one of them, but there are some out there.

 

[Devilsfan118]

Alex Chauvacy wrote about this and I don’t get it. NJ has too many wingers already. If they have a chance to add a game breaker, sure, but I don’t see how Colton is such a big upgrade over what they have in their bottom six and their system.

Knows how to win, knows his role, hometown kid, etc. I would ditch Miles Wood for Colton in a heartbeat, assuming Colton isn't getting the Coleman deal.

 

[Forge]

Alex Chauvacy wrote about this and I don’t get it. NJ has too many wingers already. If they have a chance to add a game breaker, sure, but I don’t see how Colton is such a big upgrade over what they have in their bottom six and their system.

I'm intrigued with putting him on Jack's wing in the haula role, but it would be a gamble because he'd be playing a lot more and it's hard to say if he could withstand that kind of jump.

But I also get why people would maybe think of this as a good chance at the poor man's version of the JT Miller move, to be honest. Colton doesn't have the pedigree and didn't play as much or produce as much as Miller during his tampa stretch (and last year in NY), so you're most likely not going to get him to suddenly jump to nearly 100 points like Miller did in Vancouver, but maybe you can pop Colton out of Tampa, put him in a bigger role and maybe he becomes a 60 point guy that you have relatively cheap.

 

[Blackjack]

Knows how to win, knows his role, hometown kid, etc. I would ditch Miles Wood for Colton in a heartbeat, assuming Colton isn't getting the Coleman deal.

Classic case of a depth player with a defined role on a good team looking good. He knows how to win: be on a team with Vasi, Hedman, Kucherov et al.

I'm intrigued with putting him on Jack's wing in the haula role, but it would be a gamble because he'd be playing a lot more and it's hard to say if he could withstand that kind of jump.

But I also get why people would maybe think of this as a good chance at the poor man's version of the JT Miller move, to be honest. Colton doesn't have the pedigree and didn't play as much or produce as much as Miller during his tampa stretch (and last year in NY), so you're most likely not going to get him to suddenly jump to nearly 100 points like Miller did in Vancouver, but maybe you can pop Colton out of Tampa, put him in a bigger role and maybe he becomes a 60 point guy that you have relatively cheap.

Have we learned nothing from signing Palat? Let’s not shoot ourselves in the foot again.

 

[Forge]

Have we learned nothing from signing Palat? Let’s not shoot ourselves in the foot again.

I mean...one has nothing to do with the other

 

[Blackjack]

I mean...one has nothing to do with the other

They’re both wingers that have built reputations playing behind the real stars on one of the best teams in the league.

 

[Forge]

They’re both wingers that have built reputations playing behind the real stars on one of the best teams in the league.

And yet they are different players and people and everything.

One being a bad move does not mean that the other will be a bad move.

Sometimes these moves work, sometimes they don't.

 

[Blackjack]

And yet they are different players and people and everything.

One being a bad move does not mean that the other will be a bad move.

Sometimes these moves work, sometimes they don't.

So you think trading assets and throwing money at depth wingers is a recipe for success?

 

[Forge]

So you think trading assets and throwing money at depth wingers is a recipe for success?

Is he a depth winger if he's playing on Jack's wing?

 

[Blackjack]

Is he a depth winger if he's playing on Jack's wing?

…yes?

 

[JTBF81]

Unless Killorn re-signs on a very discounted deal, Colton isn't going anywhere. He's more than likely got a top 6 role with Tampa moving ahead as well. Boqvist or Wood+an average prospect doesn't get him from Tampa anyway.

 

[CupsOverCash]

I dont know what the value is to other teams or market wise but think whoever lands him could have a possible break out there. So bidding could be there but I don't know what that would be. I think its gotta be to restock young players they need for the future.

 

[Forge]

…yes?

So basically, you just don't believe in his talent.

That's fine (though I would hope for a better reason than "well, year one of 31 year old palat was bad!"). I think that people have interest in acquiring him think that they can get more out of him than bottom six winger...and even if that's all they got from him, he still wouldn't be an anchor anything. He's projected to get like 3.5 million on a 4 year extension. Even if he's only 15-20 goals / 35 points, he's still in line with regardrs to contract value.

Its an upside play. May work, may not.

Given the rest of his game, if I can put him on Jack's wing, he can put up 50-60 points, I think it would be a great fit. I don't know if he could hang there or not, but I think the upside is really good if he can.

 

[Forge]

Unless Killorn re-signs on a very discounted deal, Colton isn't going anywhere. He's more than likely got a top 6 role with Tampa moving ahead as well. Boqvist or Wood+an average prospect doesn't get him from Tampa anyway.

If Colton believes in himself, I wouldn't be surprised to see him just take the QO and try to blow up moving into a bigger role. I don't think that his value will go down after another season in Tampa, so may want to shoot for the moon.

 

[JTBF81]

If Colton believes in himself, I wouldn't be surprised to see him just take the QO and try to blow up moving into a bigger role. I don't think that his value will go down after another season in Tampa, so may want to shoot for the moon.

If Killorn chooses to walk, Tampa will sign Colton to some kind of deal(maybe short term, maybe longer term, hard to say). If Tampa does trade him, I'd guess they'd be looking for a solid young 3LD that can step in next year and a bottom 6 F type maybe. I don't see them trading him for picks unless someone is offering a 1st maybe, as they aren't helping Tampa in their current window.

 

[Blackjack]

So basically, you just don't believe in his talent.

That's fine (though I would hope for a better reason than "well, year one of 31 year old palat was bad!"). I think that people have interest in acquiring him think that they can get more out of him than bottom six winger...and even if that's all they got from him, he still wouldn't be an anchor anything. He's projected to get like 3.5 million on a 4 year extension. Even if he's only 15-20 goals / 35 points, he's still in line with regardrs to contract value.

Its an upside play. May work, may not.

Given the rest of his game, if I can put him on Jack's wing, he can put up 50-60 points, I think it would be a great fit. I don't know if he could hang there or not, but I think the upside is really good if he can.

No, it’s not that I don’t believe in his talent, its that I don't believe in overspending on 27 year old third liners hoping that they’re going to break out.

The issue with Palat is not his age, it’s that Fitz got hypnotized by a guy playing for a really good team. Turns out he’s just an ordinary middle six winger and will almost certainly be worse than that when his deal hits the home stretch.

Colton doesn’t offer much of an upgrade over guys like Sharangovich. The team has other needs, like 3C and depth defensemen.

 

[Forge]

No, it’s not that I don’t believe in his talent, its that I don't believe in overspending on 27 year old third liners hoping that they’re going to break out.

i mean, Boqvist and Salminen wouldn't be overpaying in the least (not that I think Colton would get moved for such a low return either), and his contract projection is three and a half million, which certainly isn't overpaying. So I'm not really sure where the overpayment is coming from.

I'd much rather have Colton than Sharangovich just from a devils rroster construction standpoint and I believe that they are estimated to get similar contract aav.

But even for people who would like Colton, there's a limit to what they would be willing to pay for him. This certainly wouldn't exceed that limit for me lol. Now, if Colton's camp wanted 5 million for 4, I'm probably out and certain trade packages would probably have me out as well.

 

[biturbo19]

I'm just not sure that picking Barclay Goodrows, Blake Colemans, and Ross Coltons off the Tampa roster is necessarily the most sound cap strategy. They seem to be a factory for these sort of "good bottom-6 forwards" who they move on from just as their contract demands get a bit too lofty.

Tampa might be in a bit of a pickle this year...with the Jeannot deal going so sideways. I think he was supposed to be the next in line through that machine. But with him fitting in poorly and Killorn also potentially walking for a bigger paycheque...that might pressure Tampa to actually try to keep Colton for an extra year.


Palat has looked like a solid pickup for the Devils...but he had shown that he was really more of a Top-6 forward pushed down at times due to depth. I'm not sure Colton has fully established that credibility yet. Feels more like the opposite scenario.

Just not sure i'd want to be betting against Tampa when it comes to deciding when to part ways with a good bottom-6 forward like that over contract terms/cost. Which would presumably be what it is about, if they move Colton rather than keeping him.

Heck, i'd probably rather offer them something smaller to try recoup something out of the Jeannot disaster, and try him as a cheap reclamation project myself.

 

[AndreRoy]

The degree to which Palat is being disrespected in this thread is simply pathetic. Devils fans don’t deserve him.