Rookie Ovechkin or Prime Matthews

Who's better

  • Rookie Alex Ovechkin

    Votes: 155 66.5%
  • Prime Auston Matthews

    Votes: 78 33.5%

  • Total voters
    233
I think playoffs has a lot to do with it. I think Matthews’ ‘24, ‘22 and ‘21 (though shortened) were all better regular seasons. But while we never saw rookie Ovechkin in the playoffs, I kind of think I’d take a chance on him between them going into the playoffs.

Sadly, Matthews had what could be labeled as one of his best individual postseasons as a rookie. He scored in 4 straight games and was the lone Leaf to score in Games 5 and 6 against Washington, in which they lost both games 2-1 in OT.

Fairly heroic for his age in a losing effort. Not sure why he’s been so inconsistent through this point. He’s shown these flashes at times, but never seems to maintain momentum.
 
Tough question, the one man wrecking ball that is to become the greatest goal scorer in nhl history.

Or the most overrated player in the league.
 
Matthews had less TOI. Less pp and still outscored ovy despite having to play match up C

Match-up players don't have a 69.9% offensive zone start percentage.

If Matthews had a lower TOI, we can only assume it's because his coaches thought the team was better off that way.
 
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I think playoffs has a lot to do with it. I think Matthews’ ‘24, ‘22 and ‘21 (though shortened) were all better regular seasons. But while we never saw rookie Ovechkin in the playoffs, I kind of think I’d take a chance on him between them going into the playoffs.

I think of course his playoff career so far leaves a lot to be desired (putting it nicely even) but at the same time he has had stellar series’ against Tampa Bay, scores 4 in 6 against Washington as a rookie, scored 5 goals against Boston matched up against Bergeron, and has been defensively really good for the most part since 2020, like best defensive player on the ice many nights. I don’t see rookie Ovechkin making more of a difference than some of Matthews best series outside of the fact that he’s not as injury prone which wouldn’t matter because the Leafs don’t advance anyway 😂
 
Sadly, Matthews had what could be labeled as one of his best individual postseasons as a rookie. He scored in 4 straight games and was the lone Leaf to score in Games 5 and 6 against Washington, in which they lost both games 2-1 in OT.

Fairly heroic for his age in a losing effort. Not sure why he’s been so inconsistent through this point. He’s shown these flashes at times, but never seems to maintain momentum.

Injuries and getting put out in the 1st round every year will do it. I hope for the best for him in years to come but these reoccurring injuries have become a real worry when the playoffs roll around.
 
Prime Matthews led the league by 12 goals and finished 3rd in Selke voting.

Not even a leafs fan, but the poll results are ridiculous. Prime Matthews vs. Prime Ovi would be one thing, but that's not what this is.

You would take Matthews over a young Ovi in a playoff run? Bold.
 
Matthews has more career goals.
Plays C
Selke nominee.

All of his metrics are better.

Ovy played as the young star in a league with way less talent then now.

Crosby was injured for 2 years.

No comparison to Drai/mack/kuch/mcdavid

1. Crosby wasn't going to beat Ovechkin for Hart in 07-08 and he was healthy in 08-09 and 09-10.

2. All the greatest forwards of all-time are on that list because of their offense not their defense. Unless you're playing at Bergeron or Fedorov level.
 
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Comparing relative to peers indicates that peers are the same.

Steve yzerman has less harts and rosses than both sedins, Benn and Corey freaking Perry.

Early ovy didn’t play against Anywhere near the talent that Matthews did in his first 9 years.

Matthews had less TOI. Less pp and still outscored ovy despite having to play match up C, lead all forwards in block shots and be a selke level Forward.

I fully agree that ovy is much more likely to have a better second half, one because Matthews is likely to break down and 2 because ovy is unique. But first 9 years Matthews has been better
There’s no real basis to say that Matthews peers are better.

Ovi had a 3 year period where he was by far the best goal producer and the best point producer.

Ovechkin was outplaying guys like: Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk, Iginla, Thornton, Zetterberg, Spezza, Lecavalier, Kovalchuk, St. Louis, Heatley, Getzlaf, Sedins, Stamkos, Kane

It’s clear you’re seeing easier goal scoring and higher raw numbers so you think that the competition is simply better. But there’s so many examples of older and way post-prime/peak versions of players keeping up with Matthews.

Way too much evidence that these older and worse versions of the 2005-2015 players keeping up with the current version of players to have any real argument that the players today are any better. 39 year old Ovi is literally a shell of his prime and is still 5th in goals despite having broken his leg and missing 16 games LOL.

33 year old Ovi had a better point/gp than 21 year old Matthews

22 year old Matthews was a worse point producer than 33 year old Malkin, 32 year old Crosby, 31 year old Kane and Marchand.

23 year old Matthews was pretty similar in points to 33 year old Crosby and 32 year old Kane

25 year old Matthews was in the same realm of point production as 35 year old Crosby, 32 year old Karlsson.

27 year old Matthews is barely above 39 year old Ovi and 37 year old Crosby in points production
 
Rookies OV was the 3rd to 5th best player in the league

Matthews peak 2022 season he was #2 to Mcdavid (despite winning the awards)

He is better then 06 OV

However Matthews other 2 elite years are probably a bit worse than 06 OV (2021 Matthews came 2nd for hart but he was probably the 4th/5th best player in the league and 2024 he was the 5th/6th best player in the league)

Matthews 2021 and 2024 seasons compare with OVs 2013 and 2015 years - though with an edge to OV most likely still

Matthews 2022 season better than any OV year besides his 3 year prime of 08-10.

OV has 6 years he was a top 5 player at the worst while Matthews has 3.

Most players in their peaks won't be better than 06 OV as most legends don't have years they are the 3rd/4th/5th best player in the league

Toews, Getzlaf, Bergeron, Kopitar, Shanny, Zetterberg etcs are just some names of HHOF level guys who weren't as good as 06 OV in their peaks

OV was a rare exception who came in super dominant and was a beast right away before slowing down in his mid 20s to a normal HHOF level player
 
The people who never watched Ovechkin's rookie season here are obvious. Usually I don't agree with the nostalgia bump, but this isn't that close. 106 point Matthews was great, but 106 point rookie Ovechkin was running through people like Lindros and still scoring 52 goals. He was an absolute wrecking ball, completely dominant tilting the ice every night, and much more valuable to a team than a pure goal scorer who is kind of soft.
 
Yeah 69 points is carrying a team that also had 4 other 60+ point scorers LOL
All you are doing here is showing you don't understand hockey past reading point totals. He was our best player from the time he stepped on the ice for the first time. Ovechkin has had a clearly better career so far, but arguing that Ovechkin as a rookie was a better player than a Matthews with 60+goals, Selke votes as a center and winning/finishing as the runner up to Prime McDavid for the Hart and Lindsey is nonsense.
 
Who's better?
What exactly are we judging here?

Ovi has one rookie season so are we taking the best single season of Matthews prime or an aggregate of his prime?

I usually take prime as best 7 consecutive seasons so it's a weird question to be sure.
 
While I agree Ovi is having a better singular season this year (although by only a hair) - you have to realize that this is irrelevant to the actual OP right?

Ovechkin's rookie year he was 3rd in points and 3rd in goals.

Matthews at his best was 3rd in points/gp and easily the best goal scorer in the world. Matthews is the answer here.
Seems like alot of people either don't understand the OP or his question here.
 
Ovechkin is the answer because of his legacy and what he's accomplished and done for the game, but in reality, no one is trading a 106 point # 1 C who can score 70 goals for a winger.
 
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All you are doing here is showing you don't understand hockey past reading point totals. He was our best player from the time he stepped on the ice for the first time. Ovechkin has had a clearly better career so far, but arguing that Ovechkin as a rookie was a better player than a Matthews with 60+goals, Selke votes as a center and winning/finishing as the runner up to Prime McDavid for the Hart and Lindsey is nonsense.

Matthews actually won both
 

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