I can't help but think Hamrlik never lived up to his potential. Maybe I just have a slightly inflated view of him, but he's never really touched his 65 pt total from 96'. Granted I realize it was a slightly different era of the NHL, but what are your thoughts? A slight disappointment or no?
Roman Hamrlik - did he live up to his potential?
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If you are picked 1st overall like Hamrlik was, you are expected to be a superstar. Hammer is a really good d man, one most teams would probably take if they had the chance, but never lived up to first overall expectations.
In terms of what's generally expected from a #1 pick......no, he hasn't lived up to expectation.
However, considering how poor that draft was, you really can't say he was a bad pick either.
However, considering how poor that draft was, you really can't say he was a bad pick either.
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Don't judge him as a 1st overall. '92 was an atrocious draft.
That said, disappointment? Yeah. He was fully capable of being a true #1 but he was never more than #1 by default.
That said, disappointment? Yeah. He was fully capable of being a true #1 but he was never more than #1 by default.
In the last 20 drafts,in my opinion the number 1 pick produced 6 stars (Modano,Kovalchuk,Thornton,LeCavalier,Sundin,Lindros) and 2 superstars-Ovechkin and Crosby.
Thornton is a superstar.
two staight 90-assist seasons and a scoring championship, you can hardly ask for more.
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Heat McManus
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anybody have a scouting report or anything on Hamrlik from before he was drafted?
just wondering what was expected of him.
As mentioned before, 1992 was a horrible draft year. What was the #1 pick from that year expected to do?
just wondering what was expected of him.
As mentioned before, 1992 was a horrible draft year. What was the #1 pick from that year expected to do?
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Considering Hamrlik's draft position, potential and expectations placed on him by Tampa, he was a pretty big disappointment.
He was supposed to be an elite franchise defenseman, Tampa Bay's answer to Ray Bourque/Nicklas Lidstrom, but he fell way short of that. His failure to attain elite status, the disappointing development of Gratton and Weimer really killed Tampa early in their history. He's become a great defenseman in his own time, but I don't think he ever became what he was supposed to.
He was supposed to be an elite franchise defenseman, Tampa Bay's answer to Ray Bourque/Nicklas Lidstrom, but he fell way short of that. His failure to attain elite status, the disappointing development of Gratton and Weimer really killed Tampa early in their history. He's become a great defenseman in his own time, but I don't think he ever became what he was supposed to.
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Those players are all superstars. I think you are confusing Superstar and Franchise player.
A star is someone who puts up adequate points to be a cut above the norm. Alex Tanguay for example, or the Sedin Twins
Superstars are the guys who consistently are running at the top of the scoring charts, leading or in some cases, sharing the leads with their teams year after year. Kovalchuk, Modano in his prime, Sundin, etc
Franchise players are the guys you build your team around. Not only do they normally lead the team in stats by a large margin(Skaters), but your team would be more than simply devastated if they were removed and they make the players around them better. These guys win Scoring titles and Hart trophies, Vezina's and Pearsons.
Thornton, Lecavalier, and Lindros on your list are all franchise players. Crosby and Malkin and Ovechkin are also franchise players. guys like Brodeur and Lidstrom also fall into that category.
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I think they're all iffy and subjective terms anyway, but if he's talking about Lebron James type players who were majorly hyped franchise cornerstones, Lindros is absolutely in the same category as Ovechkin and Crosby.
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I'd say he disappointed. Not because he was a first overall, but, I think he was supposed to be a true #1 defenceman, that he never achieved.. He fell short, but, not tremendously short.
Question though, does anyone remember what the thought was on that 1992 draft. I recall that Ottawa thought they were going get Hamrlik in the number 2 spot. They were suprised that Tampa selected him though, and, scrambled when things changed, Ottawa went with Yashin, who suppossedly wasn't on the radar as one of the top picks.
The rumour was, that Ottawa was already prepared to build a marketing campaign around Hamrlik, with the "Roman" connection. I'm not sure who Ottawa thought was going to go first. I recall the suprise that Tampa went with a defenceman, when, as a franchise in a non-tradional market, the thought was, they'd go after a forward, who'd be easier to sell.
Question though, does anyone remember what the thought was on that 1992 draft. I recall that Ottawa thought they were going get Hamrlik in the number 2 spot. They were suprised that Tampa selected him though, and, scrambled when things changed, Ottawa went with Yashin, who suppossedly wasn't on the radar as one of the top picks.
The rumour was, that Ottawa was already prepared to build a marketing campaign around Hamrlik, with the "Roman" connection. I'm not sure who Ottawa thought was going to go first. I recall the suprise that Tampa went with a defenceman, when, as a franchise in a non-tradional market, the thought was, they'd go after a forward, who'd be easier to sell.
I think the term "superstar" is used too freely. If you're saying there are 3 levels,star,superstar and franchise player,I say there is only 2 as I consider superstars franchise players but franchise players (Iginla) not necessarily superstars. I stick with my first opinion.
Well even if it is two Lecavalier falls into superstar, he has carried the Bolts so far. I mean first half of this year he was leading scoring for the first half of the season, then he injured his wrist but even with half a season of injury he was top 10 in goals and points, on a team where even before Brad left most of the scoring came from his line that has to tell you something...
Before his injury he was on 1.45ppg and after was down to 0.83ppg. If you bear in mind that in a season at 1.45ppg he would have been on 119 points for the season that is 7 more than Ovechkin who you named as a superstar. I mean I know that is all based on not having an injury, but Lecavaliers performance in these past few seasons should earn him that kind of status.
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if he was projected to be a franchise defenseman then without a doubt he did not live up to his potential.
Sorry,but over his career he's less than a ppg player. I consider "Superstars" as "faces of the league" and recognized, if only by name, by even casual fans. This league has a handful by I don't see Vinny as one
But if Hamrlik wasn't the consensus no1 pick, and Yashin projected to go even later, who was expected to be first overall that year? Mike Rathje? Todd Warriner?
Here's the top 10 ranking by THN that year:
1.Todd Warriner
2.Mike Rathje
3.Roman Hamrlik
4.Ryan Sittler
5.Alexei Yashin
6.David Cooper
7.Brandon Convery
8.Robert Petrovicky
9.Curtis Bowen
10.Cory Stillman
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