Eklund Rumor: RNH to NYI?

[ManofSteel55]

Im going to agree with sebsisles.

Hamonic + Barzal warrants more of a return then just RNH alone.

They can have Reinhart back.

Seriously though, the Hamonic to Edmonton train has left the station. Ship has sailed. Lets just leave it alone, it isn't going to happen. If it did, a 1 for 1 swap for Nuge is close, and it probably isn't worth bickering over whatever spare parts would be needed on either side to make it "fair".

 

[sebsisles]

This is the second time you've brought up Nuge's point totals. Nuge is the type of player that's not going to starve a line of offense, but it's pretty clear after watching him that point production is not his primary focus on the ice. That's probably a bi-product of spending 3+ years being coached to be the defensively responsible player on his line while Hall and Eberle focused on padding their point totals.

Do you think RNH is worth Hamonic+Barzal+...points aside, Isles need goal scoring. To give that much up for someone who has broke 20 goals 1 time in his career would be insane

 

[North]

Do you think RNH is worth Hamonic+Barzal+...points aside, Isles need goal scoring. To give that much up for someone who has broke 20 goals 1 time in his career would be insane

To be completely forthright, Hamonic isn't a need now that the Oilers have Larsson.

Barzal is a magic bean. He may be something or he may be nothing.

The Oilers aren't going to trade RNH for the sake of trading him.

It needs to be worth their while to do it.

 

[steveat]

No Hamonic..take Hamonic off the table. I think we are using Hamonic a lot because no one wants to trade Leddy and Boychuk's contract is too large and so is length of time.

On the table is:

Defence: DeHaan, Hickey, Mayfield, Pelech, Pulock (to a certain extent..if price is right and we have acquired a PP/point man/puck moving specialist), Leduc, ,

Forwards: MDC, Lee, Nelson, Strome, KooL Lemon, Clutterbuck, Prince, Quine, Chimera, Beauvellier, Ho-Sang, Barzal, Bellows, Graham

Some of those guys above we wouldn't like to trade, but if it is something that can really improve our team, then we are open for discussion. Technically, no one is un-tradeable. If the price is right...

Hamonic would be a key to trade, but after everything he went through...forget it..it would be a slap in the face if the Isles traded him now.

 

[Homesick]

Well thank you for adding to the discussion in a mature, adult manner. Posts like these are prime examples of why so many hockey fans respect the Oilers fanbase and are rooting for your team to succeed. Perfect amount of insight into your own team's struggles this past decade or so as well as a sympathetic message for other clubs who might desperately need a GM/coaching change to shake things up.

You're are one of the last people that should be throwing rocks right now.
Oilers fans are pretty much "cut+paste" all the comments thrown at them for the past decade

 

[tempest2i]

Do you think RNH is worth Hamonic+Barzal+...points aside, Isles need goal scoring. To give that much up for someone who has broke 20 goals 1 time in his career would be insane

It really depends on what 28 other teams are offering for Hamonic and Barzal and what the timetable is for getting this deal done.

If the Islanders feel like their season is slipping away and they absolutely need to do something to spark the team or everyone not wearing a jersey is going to lose their jobs... you might not find another team willing to part with a forward off Team North America for that package.

Then again if that's the case and management is making decisions based on the faint hope of saving their own jobs, you might be better off not making any rash decisions.

 

[longtimeoilfan]

Did someone mention the Isles want a RW to player with JT? If so, I would guess that Eberle is available... in fact, I would be more in favor of trading away Eberle (over RNH). Maybe Eklund only got his story half-right. ;

So, Eberle for Hamonic. The Isles are desperate, and the Oilers would retain their center depth while improving their defense.

I can only dream...

 

[DreamTheatre]

Did someone mention the Isles want a RW to player with JT? If so, I would guess that Eberle is available... in fact, I would be more in favor of trading away Eberle (over RNH). Maybe Eklund only got his story half-right. ;

So, Eberle for Hamonic. The Isles are desperate, and the Oilers would retain their center depth while improving their defense.

I can only dream...

Sounds good to me. Lets just do that trade and call it a day.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Forwards: MDC, Lee, Nelson, Strome, KooL Lemon, Clutterbuck, Prince, Quine, Chimera, Beauvellier, Ho-Sang, Barzal, Bellows, Graham

Awesome.

 

[CodeE]

You're are one of the last people that should be throwing rocks right now.
Oilers fans are pretty much "cut+paste" all the comments thrown at them for the past decade

Who is throwing rocks? I'm simply thanking this Oiler fan for humbly providing thought-provoking analysis which really helps to facilitate conversation among two fanbases.

Noone is helping out the pathetic Isles. They know that if theyd dont get Tavares a linemate or improve the club somehow he is walking next year. Isles are is a state of disrepair and its bargain hunting time for players on that team

 

[oilerbear]

RNH is a #2 center paid like a #1. Even though he's not a 60+ point center he would most definitely help. That being said I don't see it. Oilers aren't getting Hamonic for him. Strome + would be my guess.

HF boards fans and MSM definition of a #1 C
Center who gets lots of points independent of comp faced.

Opinion; Def: point of view not based on facts or Knowledge!

Cup winning GM's definitjon of a #1C.
Centers who face the other teams best and generate upper end PvP even production while breaking even against other teams best.
Toews; Bergeron; Kopitar;

Tmac at the start stated about RNH: I have seen what that young man has proven against the best centers in the game. the Kopitar's; Thorton's; Getzlaf's

I have said for 3 years now!
Tavares has never been a 1st comp center always being sheltered.
I stated Nielson leaving would show us the real Tavares.

15-16
Tavares (25yr) (bottom 2nd/Upper 3rd comp)
78gm 51 EVP .65 EVP/gm -9

RNH (22) (mid 1st comp)
55gm 23 EVP .42 EVP/gm
injured half the season.

14-15
Tavares (24) (mid 2nd comp)
82gm 54 EVP .66 EVP/gm

RNH (21) (upper 1st comp)
76gm 42 EVP .55 EVP/gm

13-14
Tavares (23) (upper 3rd comp)
59gm 41 EVP .69 EVP/gm

RNH (20) (bottom 1st comp)
80gm 36 EVP .45 EVP/gm


12-13
Tavares (22) (bot 3rd comp)
48gm 31 EVP .65 EVP/gm

RNH (19) (mid 1st comp)
40gm 13 EVp .33 EVP/gm
played season with dislocate shoulder.

11-12
Tavares (21) (upper 2nd comp)
82gm 56 EVP .68 EVP/gm

RNH (18) (Bottom 2nd comp)
62gm 29 EVP .47 EVP/gm

RNH (19 & 22) is a .33 to .42 EVp/gm center playing injured against the other teams best.
RNH (20 - 21yr) is a .45 to .55 EVP/gm center healthy against the other teams best.

Tavares (21-25) against the 2nd and lower comp is a .65 to .69 EVp/gm Center.

16-17
lucky for Tavares he is still not PvP
Tavares (26) (lower 1st/2nd comp)
21gm 12 EVp .56 EVP/gm

Would love to see Tavares run PvP in the west.
5gm Sedins
5gm Getzlaf
5gm Kopitar
5gm Thorton; Pavelski
5gm Monahan
3gm Seguin; Spezza
3gm Toews
3gm Schieffle; Little
3gm Duchene; Mckinnon
3gm E. Staal
3gm Johanssen; Fisher
3gm Stastny; Schwartz
Like RNH has done since he was 19!

Toews PvP
16-17
21gm 8 EVP .38 RVP/gm
15-16
80gm 42 EVp .53 EVP/gm

Bergeron PvP
16-17 (30)
19gm 4 EVp .21 EVP/gm
15-16 (29)
80 gm 40 EVP .50 EVP/gm

Couturier: PvP
16-17 (23)
20gm 6 EVP .30 EVP/gm
15-16 (22)
63gm 31 EVP .49 EVP/gm

Kopitar PVP
16-17 (29) PvP
17gm 7 EVP .41 EVP/gm
15-16 (28) 2nd comp
79gm 53 EVP .67 EVP/gm
14-15 (27) PvP
79gm 40 EVP .51 EVP/gm

Stepan PvP
16-17 (26)
23gm 10 EVP .43 EVp/gm
15-16 (25)
72gm 36 EVP .50 EVp/gm

O' Rielly
16-17 (25)
15gm 4 EVp .27 EVP/gm
15-16 (24)
71gm 37 EVp .52 EVP/gm

Kadri PvP
16-17 (26)
21gm 11 EVP .52 EVp/gm
15-16 (25)
76gm 31 EVP .41 EVP/gm

Who you face? / can you handle them?
what do the top peers numbers say.

A healthy RNH can play PvP against the west!

All other views on here are opinions!

Opinions are guesses!

They are not based on facts!

I really dislike your guess!

I would almost think it is trolling!

 

[CodeE]

Opinion; Def: point of view not based on facts or Knowledge!

I have said for 3 years now!

Like RNH has done since he was 19!

A healthy RNH can play PvP against the west!

All other views on here are opinions!

Opinions are guesses!

They are not based on facts!

I really dislike your guess!

I would almost think it is trolling!

Oh joy, captain exclamation point has found an obscure statistic that proves RNH is vastly superior to Tavares

 

[tempest2i]

Oh joy, captain exclamation point has found an obscure statistic that proves RNH is vastly superior to Tavares

Even strength points per game and QoC are obscure?

 

[isles31]

I mean it makes sense. Isles biggest loss was Frans Nielsen and RNH is pretty much Nielsen on steroids. They have the depth to offset a Hamonic loss.

So many injuries on the backend right now. If this move is to save this season, then its a big step backwards. I would love RNH here but not for Hamonic or Leddy. I don't think anyone in their right mind would suggest Tavares for RNH.

 

[CodeE]

Even strength points per game and QoC are obscure?

So you also believe that RNH is vastly superior to Tavares because of two cherry-picked stats?

Oilerbear spent all last year cherry-picking stats to "prove" that Hamonic is one of the worst defenseman in the NHL and Kevan Miller of the Bruins is one of the 10 best defensemen currently playing in the NHL. That ten best defensemen in the NHL list? Also coincidentally contains multiple Oilers defensemen. Boy, good thing he's the only one telling facts while "all other views are opinions".

 

[tempest2i]

So you also believe that RNH is vastly superior to Tavares because of two cherry-picked stats?

Oilerbear spent all last year cherry-picking stats to "prove" that Hamonic is one of the worst defenseman in the NHL and Kevan Miller of the Bruins is one of the 10 best defensemen currently playing in the NHL. That ten best defensemen in the NHL list? Also coincidentally contains multiple Oilers defensemen. Boy, good thing he's the only one telling facts while "all other views are opinions".

Did I say I support Oilerbear's conclusion?

Did I say anything about RNH being superior to Tavares?

I just thought it was odd that you would consider quality of competition and even strength scoring to be obscure stats. IMO they're pretty basic stats. I might even go as far as to say those two stats are the foundation of understanding the game at a level that goes beyond "Player A and Player B have similar points totals, therefore they must be similar players."

 

[russ99]

RNH could be moved, just like anyone not in the McDavid cluster.

But a darned good 2-way #3 center needs to come back, it would be silly to move a guy handling the toughs without a replacement and open a gaping hole in our defense.

At this point, with the makeup of the roster and thinking of the Expansion Draft, I'd think scoring winger (preferably RW) would me more of a need than defenseman as the second player coming to Edmonton.