Speculation: RNH for Dumba trade?

[bernmeister]

totality of circumstances, I see Stepan for Dumba more likely, unless Oil wants to add overpay

 

[OutForMilk]

I'd do it straight up, honestly. Our defense is deep enough to lose Spurgie and getting RNH would improve the Wild a lot.

I'd certainly think about it too from the Oilers side. At least Spurgeon has played 1st pairing minutes. Would Chia though? He seems to have a certain template, and it definitely involves size being a big factor, rightly or wrongly.

 

[nickschultzfan]

totality of circumstances, I see Stepan for Dumba more likely, unless Oil wants to add overpay

Why would the Wild do that? Rather just keep Dumba or add a bit more to get the RNH deal done.

 

[Lapa]

I'd certainly think about it too from the Oilers side. At least Spurgeon has played 1st pairing minutes. Would Chia though? He seems to have a certain template, and it definitely involves size being a big factor, rightly or wrongly.

Don't know about Chia's opinions, but Spurgeon's size hasn't been an issue for the Wild.

 

[Digitalbooya]

His broken knuckle blocking a shot concern you? Go away

Referring to the concussion. Not be taken lightly even if he did play 3 games after.

 

[Eriktion]

Oiler fans are funny! You dealt Hall for Larsson who isn't half the d-man Spurgeon is and you think the Wild would include Coyle too. News flash Coyle is already a better winger than RNH is a center.

Both points are extremely untrue.

On RNH and Coyle. RNH has played his entire career against top opposition and done surprisingly well considering how poorly the rest of the Oilers team was. He has 3 50+ point seasons under his belt where as Coyle's best season is 42 points. He is also a year younger than Coyle and is signed to a pretty good contract for what he brings to the table (PK/PP/EV). If you think that Coyle is better than RNH you are significantly overvaluing Coyle and undervaluing RNH. Personally I don't want to trade RNH, however it looks like Chia is on a warpath to improve our defense and is willing to sacrifice some of our jacks and kings to get it done.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I'd certainly think about it too from the Oilers side. At least Spurgeon has played 1st pairing minutes. Would Chia though? He seems to have a certain template, and it definitely involves size being a big factor, rightly or wrongly.

Wasn't Chia the GM of Boston? Torey Krug?

 

[OutForMilk]

Wasn't Chia the GM of Boston? Torey Krug?

That's Boston though. Small players fit well on teams that are big already. Edm hasn't been like that up to this point. I'm sure there is a point though that Chia would figure his team is transformed into being tough and big enough that looking at that player type is the better way to go at some point. Spurgeon has certainly proved he can last in the NHL and do well.

 

[57special]

Coyle is nowhere near the right add to Dumba for RNH.


You already know my response to this

that's just the Badger talking

 

[57special]

I think the basic structure of the deal is RNH for Dumba + Kuemper. With Oilers asking for a 2nd on top of that (which Wild don't have). Maybe it gets worked out. Maybe it doesn't. Oilers are obviously also calling on Barrie and Shattenkirk.

The money doesn't work out. RNH makes 6M. Dumba, say, 2 -2.5M. Kuemper, say 1.5M.

Wild can't eat 2M. Guess who makes 2M? Zucker.

If EDM has to add a 3rd or something, fine.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Can't find the radio hit/tweet, but here's a speculative tweet.

Stauffer is saying nuge for berrie out col is something he could see

 

[Digitalbooya]

that's just the Badger talking

But we all know the smart people go to UW

I actually really like Reilly and want to keep him. It just doesn't make sense to keep all our LHD. We have Suter, Scandella, Brodin, Reilly, and Olofsson as NHL "capable" LHD (Olofsson is IMO). For RHD? Spurgeon, Dumba, and possibly Folin? If no trades happen I'd love to run:

Suter-Spurgeon
Scandella-Dumba
Reilly-Brodin

Every pairing has an offensive dman and a defensive dman.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The money doesn't work out. RNH makes 6M. Dumba, say, 2 -2.5M. Kuemper, say 1.5M.

Wild can't eat 2M. Guess who makes 2M? Zucker.

If EDM has to add a 3rd or something, fine.

We can eat $2M this year, it just gets complicated next summer.

 

[Lennu32]

Russo is an amazing beat writer, but this is one of those rare times where it seems like his love for a player (Dumba) and his dislike of another (RNH) is getting in the way of his objectivity. He has said he thinks the Wild will regret trading Dumba for RNH.

I agree with Russo here. RNH is a marginal upgrade over Granlund and would put MIN into a cap hell in future.

 

[nickschultzfan]

I agree with Russo here. RNH is a marginal upgrade over Granlund and would put MIN into a cap hell in future.

In the last weeks this has been parroted so many times despite zero proof to back up the claim.

 

[Golden Gophers 4649]

Both points are extremely untrue.

On RNH and Coyle. RNH has played his entire career against top opposition and done surprisingly well considering how poorly the rest of the Oilers team was. He has 3 50+ point seasons under his belt where as Coyle's best season is 42 points. He is also a year younger than Coyle and is signed to a pretty good contract for what he brings to the table (PK/PP/EV). If you think that Coyle is better than RNH you are significantly overvaluing Coyle and undervaluing RNH. Personally I don't want to trade RNH, however it looks like Chia is on a warpath to improve our defense and is willing to sacrifice some of our jacks and kings to get it done.

I love RNH but when you look at what Coyle provides in addition to his offense he's more valuable than RNH. Not to mention Coyle can play wing or center which only adds to his value. Also, power forwards take longer to develop and usually don't hit their peak offensive years until their 26 year which Coyle is still 2 years away from.

If you're looking at strictly points of course RNH has a higher value. It's completely unrealistic to believe the Wild would deal Coyle even up for RNH.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

In the last weeks this has been parroted so many times despite zero proof to back up the claim.

$14M in space to re-sign Granlund, Nino, Haula, an entire 4th line + 2 pressbox forwards, an entire 3rd D pair + 1 pressbox defenseman and 1 backup goalie.

Unless we count Vegas taking Scandella/Brodin off our hands for nothing as 'helping'.

Buying out Pominville saves us only ~$1.3M if we decide to go that route as well.

 

[Lennu32]

Coyle is not for sale, sorry.

Spurgeon for RNH straight up?

That's bad for the Wild. I mean, really bad.

We all saw how important Spurgeon is to Wild's game when he went down. And how whole team played better when he came back.

I would trade Suter before Spurgeon, if he wouldn't have that goddamn NTC.

 

[57special]

totality of circumstances, I see Stepan for Dumba more likely, unless Oil wants to add overpay

Yes, but the same problem, but even more so(Stepan makes more)exists for the Wild. Dumba will make about 2-2.5M. Stepan makes , what 6.5M?

Wild can't take back 4M+. Other players would have to be added, making it a more complicated deal.

At least EDM can take back some salary, if it comes to that. Rangers can't, so things have to be worked out just so.

 

[Draiskull]

Dumba + Haula could make sense for Oilers.

Haula replaces RNH down the middle and Dumba provides offense from D.

Haula being a FIN would be a good mentor for Puljujarvi who cant speak much English.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Dumba + Haula could make sense for Oilers.

Haula replaces RNH down the middle and Dumba provides offense from D.

Haula being a FIN would be a good mentor for Puljujarvi who cant speak much English.

I don't want Dumba at the expense of RNH.

 

[DANOZ28]

i just dont believe this will happen after the hall trade.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Dman + Colye/Haula
for
RNH + Maroon?

 

[57special]

But we all know the smart people go to UW

I actually really like Reilly and want to keep him. It just doesn't make sense to keep all our LHD. We have Suter, Scandella, Brodin, Reilly, and Olofsson as NHL "capable" LHD (Olofsson is IMO). For RHD? Spurgeon, Dumba, and possibly Folin? If no trades happen I'd love to run:

Suter-Spurgeon
Scandella-Dumba
Reilly-Brodin

Every pairing has an offensive dman and a defensive dman.

Of course, you being a brilliant and well informed UW alum, know that Brodin can and has played RD for the majority of his time in the NHL?

I do agree that moving Spurgeon would only be if it was for an overpayment. That is one RHD i don't want to see go, in spite of his awful TV commercials.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

$14M in space to re-sign Granlund, Nino, Haula, an entire 4th line + 2 pressbox forwards, an entire 3rd D pair + 1 pressbox defenseman and 1 backup goalie.

Unless we count Vegas taking Scandella/Brodin off our hands for nothing as 'helping'.

Buying out Pominville saves us only ~$1.3M if we decide to go that route as well.

Would something around Edm 2017 1st + be of interest for Brodin?

Opens $4 million in cap space and you don't have to be concerned over which defenceman is left unprotected.