Proposal: Ridly Greig for a winger or RHD equivalent

[Xspyrit]

Greig would make a ton of sense for Chicago for Kurashev+.

Why would Ottawa be interested in that?

 

[Uberpecker]

Would you do Quinn for Greig?

No.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Why would Ottawa be interested in that?

He's a middle six winger that can play with talent with a career high in points more than double what Greig has proven he can put up? I don't like Kurashev much but a 54 point season from a 24 year old isn't nothing.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

No.

what do we need to add.

 

[Uberpecker]

what do we need to add.

Not that kind of situation. Quinn isn't available and Greig doesn't seem like the kind of player Buffalo needs, which would be either bona-fide 2C or top 4 RD.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Not that kind of situation. Quinn isn't available and Greig doesn't seem like the kind of player Buffalo needs, which would be either bona-fide 2C or top 4 RD.

understandable. IMHO Greig plays a lot better as a centre and has potential to be a 2C. I just thought with Quinn struggling and Sabres having a ton of high skilled wingers, a trade could work out is all.

 

[Fjordy]

I just thought with Quinn struggling

Well, not anymore, it seems he had some kind of physical problem at the beginning of the season (injury or consequences of an old injury). Now he definitely looks much better.

 

[Xspyrit]

He's a middle six winger that can play with talent with a career high in points more than double what Greig has proven he can put up? I don't like Kurashev much but a 54 point season from a 24 year old isn't nothing.

oh ok yeah... POINTS.

Problem is he produced ONE season playing with Connor Bedard. The rest of his career he paced for a whooping 10 goals and 26 points per 82 games... that is not very impressive for an offensive forward who is soft and who is absolutely horrible defensively. The thing is he didn't even produce while getting pretty decent ice-time and linemates.

In the meantime, the 3 years younger Ridly Greig who just turned 22 y/o has produced 13 goals and 30 pts per 82 games with less ice-time and PP opportunities. But offense isn't the best part of Greig's game, he is already an excellent 200 defensive forward and very good on the PK.

Look, Dorion already made us go through the Kubalik experiment, a much better player than Kurashev. Seriously, I don't think you'd find ONE Sens fan who would be remotely interested in that.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

oh ok yeah... POINTS.

Problem is he produced ONE season playing with Connor Bedard. The rest of his career he paced for a whooping 10 goals and 26 points per 82 games... that is not very impressive for an offensive forward who is soft and who is absolutely horrible defensively. The thing is he didn't even produce while getting pretty decent ice-time and linemates.

In the meantime, the 3 years younger Ridly Greig who just turned 22 y/o has produced 13 goals and 30 pts per 82 games with less ice-time and PP opportunities. But offense isn't the best part of Greig's game, he is already an excellent 200 defensive forward and very good on the PK.

Look, Dorion already made us go through the Kubalik experiment, a much better player than Kurashev. Seriously, I don't think you'd find ONE Sens fan who would be remotely interested in that.

He's not horrible defensively he just plays for a horrible team with no offense to speak of. Kurashev on a good team has much better analytics. He's a Swiss army knife pardon the pun. He's kinda ok at everything. Fourth line center? You could do better. You could do worse. First line third wheel? You could definitely do better but we're rolling Joey Anderson in that role because our coach is an idiot so you could certainly do worse.



I don't care for Kurashev and I wouldn't pay him what a 57 point forward should expect but he's pretty good at everything. Kubalik is all shot. Horrible comp.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Also, points matter? He's proven he can produce with talent. It's not the only thing that matters but it does in fact matter. The Blsckhawks have one real center on the roster. If Grieg produces fifteen and fifteen from the middle six that's a boon for our sorry ass team.

 

[Xspyrit]

He's not horrible defensively he just plays for a horrible team with no offense to speak of. Kurashev on a good team has much better analytics. He's a Swiss army knife pardon the pun. He's kinda ok at everything. Fourth line center? You could do better. You could do worse. First line third wheel? You could definitely do better but we're rolling Joey Anderson in that role because our coach is an idiot so you could certainly do worse.

Ok but that doesn't apply to Greig? He had very good analytics at 20 and 21 y/o on a rebuilding team

I don't care for Kurashev and I wouldn't pay him what a 57 point forward should expect but he's pretty good at everything. Kubalik is all shot. Horrible comp.

Good at everything? Hmmm maybe I would need to watch him every game because that's not my scouting report

Anyway, doesn't change that I wouldn't do this even if you'd add a 2nd round pick. No Sens informed fan would as well. As of now, Greig is a much better player and has a 3 years of development margin

Also, points matter? He's proven he can produce with talent. It's not the only thing that matters but it does in fact matter. The Blsckhawks have one real center on the roster. If Grieg produces fifteen and fifteen from the middle six that's a boon for our sorry ass team.

Of course it matters but there's a big asterisk here. I don't think Greig will be more than an elite 3rd line forward but a 30-40 pts 2-way forward is really useful and doesn't cost a fortune. Ottawa Keeps him

Sens fans are not happy with how things are going right now and everyone will be in trade talks, even Stutzle and Sanderson. That would be like Chicago fans throwing Bedard out there because team results are not coming

 

[One Winged Angel]

I’d do Kakko for Greig as the basis of a deal.

I would as well.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Why not wait for Yakemchuk and play JBD this year? Yakemchuk is coming and that's your RD for the next decade unless something goes radically wrong (it is, afterall, Ottawa).

He's likely not ready for about 2 years, so likely the 26-27 season.

Ottawa likely can't have a shit season this year, potentially one next year and then saying again this is the year the Sens make the playoffs.

That's not me saying the sens should trade Yakemchuk (unless it's to my Habs for free), but the sens should look for a stop gap.

However, I think Zub has been good for Ottawa and Jensen has fit in nicely, so that's a 3rd pairing RHD which isn't expensive.

Or they go for a 1st pairing RHD which is expensive as f***.

Sens have some players they could trade for Jiricek as a shake up and a potential 1st pairing RHD, but should be, at worst a 3rd pairing RHD

 

[Xspyrit]

Sens have some players they could trade for Jiricek as a shake up and a potential 1st pairing RHD, but should be, at worst a 3rd pairing RHD

Sens basically can't afford to trade anybody at this moment. Dorion constant mismanagement derailed the rebuild and now Staios has a lot of work to do to right the ship.

Players they need/could trade are :

Perron, Amadio, Gregor, Cousins, MacEwen, Hamonic

Can't afford to trade prospects/picks, still need to recover from the Dorion era.

So since these players have little value, the only thing they could is a culture shock movement by making hockey trades and swap Tkachuk, Norris, Chabot, Giroux etc. The first 2 guys are the ones that make the most sense

Stutzle, Sanderson, Pinto, Greig, Kleven : they are young and Sens need to build around them.

Batherson : contract is too good, only trade if the return can't be turned down.

Zub, Jensen : RHDs are hard to come by, Jensen is a stop gap

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Sens basically can't afford to trade anybody at this moment. Dorion constant mismanagement derailed the rebuild and now Staios has a lot of work to do to right the ship.

Players they need/could trade are :

Perron, Amadio, Gregor, Cousins, MacEwen, Hamonic

Can't afford to trade prospects/picks, still need to recover from the Dorion era.

So since these players have little value, the only thing they could is a culture shock movement by making hockey trades and swap Tkachuk, Norris, Chabot, Giroux etc. The first 2 guys are the ones that make the most sense

Stutzle, Sanderson, Pinto, Greig, Kleven : they are young and Sens need to build around them.

Batherson : contract is too good, only trade if the return can't be turned down.

Zub, Jensen : RHDs are hard to come by, Jensen is a stop gap

That's fair.

I honestly thought the sens had more space as a lot of their contracts at fair, or below market value.

Now that you said that I recall hearing the team 1200 talking about not being able to make a move and i just assumed they might still be operating with an internal cap.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I don’t see the point in moving him at this time

 

[SensFactor]

He's not being moved. At 22, he's going to be inconsistent, but the talent, feistiness, and offensive potential are there. He is projected to be a perfect 3C eventually. To be he's being asked to do way too much being on the top line. He's not a top line guy.

 

[Brobust]

People in this thread talking about Greig like he's a 60 point player or something.

IMO, he's a dime a dozen bottom 6 player who gets a little extra attention because of his childish antics.

 

[Bottomshelf]

Vet RD options that the sens can squeeze into the roster without shedding any cap are limited but I agree with a few posters that they can’t really afford to trade prospects or picks a vet swap might work. Perron for an equivalent D man? I know he was just signed. Grieg obviously could be used but I wouldn’t be as keen on moving him for a 3rd pairing guy unless they thought that defence would progress a bit or stay a few years.

 

[Bottomshelf]

Maybe Jokiharju?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Ok but that doesn't apply to Greig? He had very good analytics at 20 and 21 y/o on a rebuilding team



Good at everything? Hmmm maybe I would need to watch him every game because that's not my scouting report

Anyway, doesn't change that I wouldn't do this even if you'd add a 2nd round pick. No Sens informed fan would as well. As of now, Greig is a much better player and has a 3 years of development margin



Of course it matters but there's a big asterisk here. I don't think Greig will be more than an elite 3rd line forward but a 30-40 pts 2-way forward is really useful and doesn't cost a fortune. Ottawa Keeps him

Sens fans are not happy with how things are going right now and everyone will be in trade talks, even Stutzle and Sanderson. That would be like Chicago fans throwing Bedard out there because team results are not coming

I'm the guy who wants Greig. You said Kurashev is awful defensively. Like what?