Rick Westhead: Another woman comes forward alleging she was sexually assaulted by a group of major-junior hockey players.

[TrufleShufle]

I'm speculating so hard right now and ain't nothing anyone can do about it.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Of course. Because women never ever levy false accusations against men with means, right? Right?!?!

Allegation of this nature are serious. VERY serious. But our justice system is built around the idea that an individual is innocent until proven guilty. No one has been charged, no evidence released, how can anyone possibly have been proven guilty? You can't just change the rules simply because your entirely subjective opinion is that they MUST be guilty.

No one's changing any rules, it's just depressing to see these cases pop up when they do - especially when there's now 8 former OHLers tied into this story.

How many made the NHL? Could be all of them, could be none. Should be interesting to see how this story develops though, after the OPP's missteps have now come to light.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Of course. Because women never ever levy false accusations against men with means, right? Right?!?!

Allegation of this nature are serious. VERY serious. But our justice system is built around the idea that an individual is innocent until proven guilty. No one has been charged, no evidence released, how can anyone possibly have been proven guilty? You can't just change the rules simply because your entirely subjective opinion is that they MUST be guilty.

This feeling only comes up when comes to certain cases.
This isn't a courtroom either.

 

[Leafs87]

Crazy that this is such a wide spread issue. Also billet homeowners may start withdrawing applications after this one.

 

[Rowlet]

Of course. Because women never ever levy false accusations against men with means, right? Right?!?!

Allegation of this nature are serious. VERY serious. But our justice system is built around the idea that an individual is innocent until proven guilty. No one has been charged, no evidence released, how can anyone possibly have been proven guilty? You can't just change the rules simply because your entirely subjective opinion is that they MUST be guilty.

This isn't a courtroom.

 

[JPT]

Of course. Because women never ever levy false accusations against men with means, right? Right?!?!

Allegation of this nature are serious. VERY serious. But our justice system is built around the idea that an individual is innocent until proven guilty. No one has been charged, no evidence released, how can anyone possibly have been proven guilty? You can't just change the rules simply because your entirely subjective opinion is that they MUST be guilty.

Had any accused even been named before someone jumped in with "innocent until proven guilty"?

 

[Xirik]

Sad story, I hope this is the last time these cases comes up but who knows.

Queue this thread going 50 pages due to a fight between "virtue signalers" and "insensitive Innocent until proven guilty" folks.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I hope it is investigated thoroughly and justice is properly dispensed.

 

[Static]

Of course. Because women never ever levy false accusations against men with means, right? Right?!?!

Allegation of this nature are serious. VERY serious. But our justice system is built around the idea that an individual is innocent until proven guilty. No one has been charged, no evidence released, how can anyone possibly have been proven guilty? You can't just change the rules simply because your entirely subjective opinion is that they MUST be guilty.

The ratio of men who get away with sexual assault to women who lie about it is so exponentially skewed toward the former (faux pas!)that this perspective almost assuredly has nothing to do with "justice" and everything to do with ignorance.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I'm speculating so hard right now and ain't nothing anyone can do about it.

I love when I finally get to an area with no cell service so that I can speculate without @Bear of Bad News stopping me

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I love when I finally get to an area with no cell service so that I can speculate without @Bear of Bad News stopping me

Joke's on you - the Kraken scored seven goals last night, so I'm about to head off to do some cocaine.

 

[Patrik26]

You mean to tell me star teenage athletes who are old they’re kings for years do horrible things??

We need to stop idolizing young athletes. They turn out to be, for a large part, horrible people until they mature.

Too late.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

You're completely dishonest. Keep the same energy you had about OJ and Diddy.

Not the same but ok lol.

 

[JIMVINNY]

The ratio of men who get away with sexual assault to women who lie about it is so exponentially skewed toward the former (faux pas!)that this perspective almost assuredly has nothing to do with "justice" and everything to do with ignorance.

I don't care what the ratio is. Punishing someone for a crime they haven't been found guilty of just because of their gender or occupation is collective punishment. That's not justice.

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

Blackstone's ratio - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Static]

I don't care what the ratio is. Punishing someone for a crime they haven't been found guilty of just because of their gender or occupation is collective punishment. That's not justice.

Blackstone's ratio - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think it's weird how willing you are to fight for the person who is almost always guilty and gets away with it rather than the person who is almost never lying and does not get justice.

The justice system has mens' backs, they don't really need your help perpetuating the myth too.

 

[JIMVINNY]

Had any accused even been named before someone jumped in with "innocent until proven guilty"?

Does the accused need to be named to know what's going to happen to him? We have a rather high profile case from just a little while ago that gives us a rather reliable roadmap to what happens next. I don't think we need to wait to see if the punishment starts before the conviction when we already know that's how it's going down.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Does the accused need to be named to know what's going to happen to him? We have a rather high profile case from just a little while ago that gives us a rather reliable roadmap to what happens next. I don't think we need to wait to see if the punishment starts before the conviction when we already know that's how it's going down.

Kind of. That's how it is.

 

[JIMVINNY]

I think it's weird how willing you are to fight for the person who is almost always guilty and gets away with it rather than the person who is almost never lying and does not get justice.

The justice system has mens' backs, they don't really need your help perpetuating the myth too.

I don't care about guilt at this point. A determination of guilt is a long way off. I care about the rights of everyone involved, not just the accuser's. I've seen enough lives ruined by false accusations eventually proven false that I refuse to jump to any conclusions, especially in emotionally-charged situations.

Your penchant for jumping to conclusions is a vice, not a virtue.

 

[Static]

I don't care about guilt at this point.

First thing you've said that's accurate.

 

[tarheelhockey]

For those talking about how this has become such a trend lately, go check the biographies of Doug Gilmour, Scott Stevens, Dino Ciccarelli, Geoff Courtnall, Neal Sheehy, Billy Tibbetts, Joe Sakic’s brother Brian Sakic and Wade Smith, Mario Lemieux and Dan Quinn, Ed Jovanovski, Todd Harvey and Grant Marshall, Nick Robinson, Michael D’Allesandro, Aaron Power, Lance Galbraith, Ridley Riddell, Kristian Huselius, Andreas Lilja, Henrik Tallinder, Tanner House, Michael McBain, Bobby Hughes… and so on.

Anyone want to put an over-under on how many convictions resulted from that list?

 

[dalewood12]

There's a picture circulating online of an U11 hockey team in Ontario having a team meal at Hooter's.

But yea, there's no problem with hockey culture.

 

[Team_Spirit]

2014 London Knights loaded with NHLers

I'm sure they are happy these allegations made national news.

 

[robertmac43]

Are we surprised?

There are only going to be more stories like this as time goes on.

 

[Albatros]

Not guilty ≠ innocent.

I don't care what the ratio is. Punishing someone for a crime they haven't been found guilty of just because of their gender or occupation is collective punishment. That's not justice.

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

Blackstone's ratio - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not guilty ≠ innocent.

 

[JIMVINNY]

Not guilty ≠ innocent.

So you've already determined that the as-yet unnamed perpetrators are not innocent, even though they may eventually be found not guilty? What evidence have you considered to come to this conclusion?