Rick Nash Part II

[Beacon]

I'm seriously dying to know everyone's reaction if Nash's statline was switched and he had 5-1 instead, and we're in the same ****ing hole. He'd have contributed the same amount of offense, and we'd still be losing.

If he had 5 goals, we wouldn't be where we are right now. I normally respect your opinion, but you can't be serious in equating goals and assists. You are telling me that his flipping the puck is the same as if he scored a goal? Same level of difficulty? Same contribution from him as from Brassard on that goal?

 

[ImIdaho]

AGAIN. Name the Rangers second best player besides Nash, interesting isn't it..... Has Nash had 1 player of anyone of that caliber to play along with?

Brassard. 29 points in the postseason for the Rangers vs. 23 for Nash.

Hell, last season we had secondary scoring up the ass. Where did Nash fall into place? You want to continue this narrative that it's only Nash playing with a chip on his shoulder?

 

[Beacon]

AGAIN. Name the Rangers second best player besides Nash, interesting isn't it..... Has Nash had 1 player of anyone of that caliber to play along with?

Perry and Getzlaf
Datsyuk and Zetterberg
Hoss Kane Toews
Malkin and Crosby
Eric Staal played great for them..... they also had Rod Brind'amour have 12 goals and 2 other players score 9. Secondary scoring helped them along with Ward killing it. Hell Cory Stillman scored 26 points in 25 games. We see any Rangers stepping up like that?

So without a second superstar, he turns into a 9.84 goal per 82 games pace and you think that's acceptable for a guy getting paid like a superstar. Good talk bro...

 

[Rick Nash 61]

If he had 5 goals, we wouldn't be where we are right now. I normally respect your opinion, but you can't be serious in equating goals and assists. You are telling me that his flipping the puck is the same as if he scored a goal? Same level of difficulty? Same contribution from him as from Brassard on that goal?

If Nash and Brass switched stat line where Nash went 5 goals 1 assist and brass went 1 goal 5 assists we'd be in the same spot right now, and Rick Nash wouldn't be the discussion we would have found another whipping big right now. That's what he's saying.

 

[Raspewtin]

If he had 5 goals, we wouldn't be where we are right now. I normally respect your opinion, but you can't be serious in equating goals and assists. You are telling me that his flipping the puck is the same as if he scored a goal? Same level of difficulty? Same contribution from him as from Brassard on that goal?

Obviously not in a vacuum.

But, he's still making things happen, driving offense, the team just DOESN'T SCORE without him on the ice. What difference would it make if Nash scored the 5 goals instead of Brassard?

 

[Sirius Vivace]

Nash has been on-ice for half of our goals in the playoffs...yet people seem to be implying that he is the reason we are losing this series. We have scored 8 goals without him on the ice....in 8 games. 1 Goal per game is our complete output in regards to goals when Nash is not on the ice. 1 goal per game is our output when he is on the ice.

C'mon. Don't the other 3 lines have any responsibility here? Again.....Nash line = 1 goal per game. Other 3 lines = Combined total of 1 goal per game.

Nash's line is a combined +9. The next best line is ZERO in that department.

What the heck? Seems everyone needs a whipping boy right now and has settled on Nash...when in fact all but 1 line (Nash's line) has been relatively unproductive throughout the entire playoffs.

I suppose because Nash makes $7.8 mil he is responsible for the other $60+ mil?

We get rid of Nash and we'll have FOUR unproductive lines come playoff time instead of 3.

 

[SA16]

Nash is scoring at a 9.84 goals per 82 game pace in the playoffs. Would you pay $7.8 to a guy who scored 9-10 goals per regular season? So why would you do that for a guy in the playoffs. I will keep repeating his salary until people get through their heads that we have a salary cap, this is not the time when Holik could be paid $9 to be a complimentary player if Dolan wished to do it. This is the cap era. You don't pay a guy $7.8 to 6 goals in 50 playoff games in his career.

You seem to be missing a few major points here.

1. We didn't offer him the contract
2. You don't have a crystal ball when signing/acquiring players which tells you his exact production.
3. He's playing well and there's a lot of variance in goal scorer.

Please respond to my post by telling me he is making 7.8M and needs to go score goals.

Thank you.

 

[Cassano]

Another great game from Nash. Best FWD for the Rangers easily.

 

[CJCNYR]

I can't help myself now. I literally said the first two rounds two posts ago. I said Brassard was always a playoff performer. It's you who cares about points so much, that's how you're selling Nash so hard. Does that not apply to Brassard? Really?

His pig is higher, then smaller with Nash. That's a decline, albeit small that's the spirit of the point. Nash had in no way made Brassard a performer. Clearly Brassard performs. He clearly does this regardless of who he is with. You act like he contributes because of Nash. He contributes because he ALWAYS DOES.

In your cherry picked first 2 rounds you are right a .06 decline....... but let's add the other rounds and amazingly Nash has increased Brassard PPG production.

"He's feeding off Brassard scoring. Brassard scored last year without Nash and the year before.

Regardless of that, he has to score. End of story."

This is you saying Brassard scored last 2 years.... 8 goals in 35 games... This year with Nash 5 goals in 9 games.

So now that we proved that wrong let's check your next quote....

"Is this really that difficult?

Brassard scored for three post seasons now. Nash has not, he is clearly the beneficiary of Brass, not the other way around. Brass finds ways to score, her buried Nash's rebound in that circumstance, but he scores every year. These defense are pathetic."

So again I pointed out how his Goals per game went from 23% to now 55% with Nash.

Now lets check your next post. Looks like you are trying to deflect being wrong.

"Wow. Nash is great and the reason for Brassard's successes.

No wait, Brassard's production has declined playing with him in the first two rounds. Brass has always gotten big goals for them, always. It's common sense, Nash doesn't. Really, how you attribute his success to Nash is absolutely asinine."

Then you wanted to cherry pick your stats

"Points per game over the first two rounds, or are assists only applicable to Nash?"

So in your cherry picked stats to make it look like Nash has not helped Brass, his production went down .06ppg in the first 2 rounds and that is your reasoning for saying Nash is productive because of brass.

 

[CJCNYR]

Brassard. 29 points in the postseason for the Rangers vs. 23 for Nash.

Hell, last season we had secondary scoring up the ass. Where did Nash fall into place? You want to continue this narrative that it's only Nash playing with a chip on his shoulder?

My point is there is not ONE elite player... hell close to being an all-star level player like every single other player who has performed well has benefited from.

Weird Rangers got secondary scoring and made it within 3 wins of a cup. Get NOTHING from the secondary scoring and looking at 3 win or go home games.

 

[CJCNYR]

Nash has been on-ice for half of our goals in the playoffs...yet people seem to be implying that he is the reason we are losing this series. We have scored 8 goals without him on the ice....in 8 games. 1 Goal per game is our complete output in regards to goals when Nash is not on the ice. 1 goal per game is our output when he is on the ice.

C'mon. Don't the other 3 lines have any responsibility here? Again.....Nash line = 1 goal per game. Other 3 lines = Combined total of 1 goal per game.

Nash's line is a combined +9. The next best line is ZERO in that department.

What the heck? Seems everyone needs a whipping boy right now and has settled on Nash...when in fact all but 1 line (Nash's line) has been relatively unproductive throughout the entire playoffs.

I suppose because Nash makes $7.8 mil he is responsible for the other $60+ mil?

We get rid of Nash and we'll have FOUR unproductive lines come playoff time instead of 3.

 

[ImIdaho]

My point is there is not ONE elite player... hell close to being an all-star level player like every single other player who has performed well has benefited from.

Weird Rangers got secondary scoring and made it within 3 wins of a cup. Get NOTHING from the secondary scoring and looking at 3 win or go home games.

So what's your excuse for him having only 10 points last season and still not having that breakout postseason? At what point do we see him score those goals in bunches?

 

[Xref]

Exactly 50% of Rangers goals he has been on the ice.

Also Brassard is the number 1 center on this team NOT a "complimentary" player.

Hank has been on the ice for 100% of our goals. What an offensive powerhouse he is!!

 

[CJCNYR]

So what's your excuse for him having only 10 points last season and still not having that breakout postseason? At what point do we see him score those goals in bunches?

Concussion? Lack of secondary option on offense to play off of? Possibly pressing. But I don't care if he scored 30 goals in last post season.

I care about these 9 games the Rangers have played THIS post-season and hopefully many more.

If I told you going in to this post season Rick Nash would

lead team in scoring
2nd best +/-
On ice of 50% of goals scored
Part of 38% of goals scored
Great on PK
One of our best back checkers.
Lead team in takeaways

Would you be happy with that? Likely will get a no answer just because of blind hate.

 

[ImIdaho]

Concussion? Lack of secondary option on offense to play off of? Possibly pressing. But I don't care if he scored 30 goals in last post season.

What?

Be aware that we had 8 players get more points than Nash. He was tied with Pouliot in points and Pou still garnered more goals than him.

Actually, you should care if he did or did not score 30 goals because his postseason resume is bad. Hell, one armed Gaborik mustered one more point than Nash in 3 less games played, whilst playing in a defensive minded system.

I care about these 9 games the Rangers have played THIS post-season and hopefully many more.

And it hasn't been anything to brag about.

If I told you going in to this post season Rick Nash would

lead team in scoring
2nd best +/-
On ice of 50% of goals scored
Part of 38% of goals scored
Great on PK
One of our best back checkers.
Lead team in takeaways

Would you be happy with that? Likely will get a no answer just because of blind hate.

I would be asking the same thing when he was going through a tear scoring goals and skating like a man possessed at times: will he carry that over to the postseason?

So far....

 

[CJCNYR]

What?

Be aware that we had 8 players get more points than Nash. He was tied with Pouliot in points and Pou still garnered more goals than him.

Actually, you should care if he did or did not score 30 goals because his postseason resume is bad. Hell, one armed Gaborik mustered one more point than Nash in 3 less games played, whilst playing in a defensive minded system.



And it hasn't been anything to brag about.




I would be asking the same thing when he was going through a tear scoring goals and skating like a man possessed at times: will he carry that over to the postseason?

So far....

I am referring to an elite player that can take away attention from him. He will be the main focus for every teams game plan. All other top players have ATLEAST 1 other all-star level of player.

You'd be asking what? The things I listed are what he has done over these 9 games. I guess my expectations are super low for him when I consider

lead team in scoring
2nd best +/-
On ice of 50% of goals scored
Part of 38% of goals scored
Great on PK
One of our best back checkers.
Lead team in takeaways

good enough. He is one of only a few players that have played well.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Another great game from Nash. Best FWD for the Rangers easily.

I thought his game detriorated as the night went on. he was missing in action in the 3rd when the Rangers needed their superstar most. A perennial playoff disappointment at this point

 

[bubba5]

At this point, who cares now. Can anyone please score already!

 

[Ori]

He suck at playoffs so far in his NHL career, but it's a player that will get us there for sure.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

Concussion? Lack of secondary option on offense to play off of? Possibly pressing. But I don't care if he scored 30 goals in last post season.

I care about these 9 games the Rangers have played THIS post-season and hopefully many more.

If I told you going in to this post season Rick Nash would

lead team in scoring
2nd best +/-
On ice of 50% of goals scored
Part of 38% of goals scored
Great on PK
One of our best back checkers.
Lead team in takeaways

Would you be happy with that? Likely will get a no answer just because of blind hate.

My first question would be how many goals has he scored. The team needs him to score goals right now. When the team is struggling like this is it unfair to ask the highest paid forward and leading goal scorer to pot more than 1 in the post season? I would say no. Plenty of blame to go around, but if they lose friday and Nash finishes the post season with 1 that will be a huge let down and Nash will share a large portion of that blame. I think even Nash would tell you that.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

I thought his game detriorated as the night went on. he was missing in action in the 3rd when the Rangers needed their superstar most. A perennial playoff disappointment at this point

Yep. Hard to believe the Rangers will ever win a cup if they need to rely on Nash for anything. He's a great complimentary player, nothing more. Can't elevate his game in the POs.

 

[BroadwayBlues]

Yep. Hard to believe the Rangers will ever win a cup if they need to rely on Nash for anything. He's a great complimentary player, nothing more. Can't elevate his game in the POs.

He's Carmelo Anthony. Good player but you will never win a championship with him as "the guy".

 

[FLYLine27*]

Exactly 50% of Rangers goals he has been on the ice.

Also Brassard is the number 1 center on this team NOT a "complimentary" player.

Who cares. All that shows is that none of the other lines are scoring either. We have 5 goals in the last 4 games, great so Nash's line has been out for 50% of those. What a great player he is.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I can't fault Nash for his effort out there, especially on the defensive side of the puck.

However, all the aggression is gone from his game on the offensive side of things. When was the last time that he just imposed himself in a 1v1 situation instead of throwing a weak muffin at Holtby? He's had two aggressive offensive plays this entire series, both being his looping into the slot from the corner. Both of those plays resulted in weak backhand attempts that were easily stopped.

Nash is a big, strong player. He should be imposing his will even more in playoffs. He's been stellar defensively, no doubt. But when I see guys like Miller and Fast playing far more aggressively when they're much smaller players with 1/10th the talent that Nash has, there's a big problem.

 

[jniklast]

Who cares. All that shows is that none of the other lines are scoring either. We have 5 goals in the last 4 games, great so Nash's line has been out for 50% of those. What a great player he is.

Or maybe it's just Brassard, whose lines somehow always perform in the playoffs.