Rest in Peace - Canadiens1958

[ResilientBeast]

Wow this is great loss for some of our future projects rest in peace and my condolences to his family

 

[Nerowoy nora tolad]

I was thinking just the other day I wanted to bug C1958 with a question about something I didnt fully understand. Ive met plenty of people who can talk hockey, but he really understood hockey. He could make a strong argument for why something happened and back up his reasoning with evidence.

If you dont mind me asking, did he play or coach hockey at a high level at some point in his life? He seemed to have a very strong understanding of the sport that you wondered if some of his knowledge was gathered firsthand

 

[Moose Head]

I was thinking just the other day I wanted to bug C1958 with a question about something I didnt fully understand. Ive met plenty of people who can talk hockey, but he really understood hockey. He could make a strong argument for why something happened and back up his reasoning with evidence.

If you dont mind me asking, did he play or coach hockey at a high level at some point in his life? He seemed to have a very strong understanding of the sport that you wondered if some of his knowledge was gathered firsthand

damn, I had the same issue on the usage of a player back in the 80’s early 90’s. I was waiting for him to come in and back me up, since I hate doing research, but he never came. I actually was wondering why. He always saved me time and aggravation, lol.

Me and him are from the same era. My memory isn’t as good as his was and I grew up in New York while he was in Montreal. He always had a leg up on me, but I was very thankful for his reminders of things past. I was constantly saying, oh yeah, I remember that.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

I don't post here but most days this is the only section of the board I take full time to read and learn from seeing all the new posts every day. His posts, his arguments, his knowledge was something I admired and really enjoyed reading with a smile on my face. With his arguments and full ranging knowledge it was really special to always see his thinking of this game we all love dearly.

Condolences to his family and may his soul rest in peace.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Ive met plenty of people who can talk hockey, but he really understood hockey.

To put a finer point on that -- it's a little weird to realize this, but I think he contributed more to my understanding of the geometry of hockey than anyone else. So many times, we would be in the middle of julienning old stats to try and understand why a player was utilized the way he was, and here comes C58 pointing out that this player was left-handed and the other guy at his position was right-handed and that meant they needed complimentary wingers on the PK who had opposite hands to cut off shooting lanes etc etc etc.

He often came at a question from a completely different angle than the rest of the board, which is saying something because this board is extremely knowledgeable. I got the impression that he must have been a coach at some point, or at least hung around with coaches on a regular basis, because he very often spoke about the geometry of the game like someone who has had to teach it to young players.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

To put a finer point on that -- it's a little weird to realize this, but I think he contributed more to my understanding of the geometry of hockey than anyone else. So many times, we would be in the middle of julienning old stats to try and understand why a player was utilized the way he was, and here comes C58 pointing out that this player was left-handed and the other guy at his position was right-handed and that meant they needed complimentary wingers on the PK who had opposite hands to cut off shooting lanes etc etc etc.

He often came at a question from a completely different angle than the rest of the board, which is saying something because this board is extremely knowledgeable. I got the impression that he must have been a coach at some point, or at least hung around with coaches on a regular basis, because he very often spoke about the geometry of the game like someone who has had to teach it to young players.

absolutely. geometry is a wonderful way to put it.

the other thing he really opened up for me, re: player value, was versatility. i think maybe you had to have lived through smaller roster eras but he described a guy who could play two or three forward positions, he would say something like, that guy's value is he covers two/three roster spots.

it's not quite the same thing as jimmy roberts back in the day, but i look at a guy like jt miller right now. he allows you to carry more specialists down the roster.

 

[Theokritos]

To put a finer point on that -- it's a little weird to realize this, but I think he contributed more to my understanding of the geometry of hockey than anyone else. So many times, we would be in the middle of julienning old stats to try and understand why a player was utilized the way he was, and here comes C58 pointing out that this player was left-handed and the other guy at his position was right-handed and that meant they needed complimentary wingers on the PK who had opposite hands to cut off shooting lanes etc etc etc.

the other thing he really opened up for me, re: player value, was versatility. i think maybe you had to have lived through smaller roster eras but he described a guy who could play two or three forward positions, he would say something like, that guy's value is he covers two/three roster spots.

Very good points.

I got the impression that he must have been a coach at some point, or at least hung around with coaches on a regular basis, because he very often spoke about the geometry of the game like someone who has had to teach it to young players.

Definitely. Some background from his own posts:

Neighbour, founder of the association where I started hockey, youth hockey coach, scout had an NHA tryout pre WWI and was active in hockey with contacts well into the 1980's. He used to explain the intricacies and details to kids willing to listen.We were also exposed to his hockey contacts, taken to Canadiens practices,etc.

A neighbour who had played a high level of semi pro hockey, pre WWI taught me to play hockey at age four. He was a hockey coach,scout, volunteer, etc. Played well into my teens before continuing into coaching, scouting, evaluations and administrative roles in minor hockey. As I was growing up was impressed by the older coaches who were able to teach by referring to the past in the context of the present. Also I was exposed to old time coaches, scouts, etc.

 

[Habsfan18]

Just came across this.

 

[Sentinel]

RIP. He was always classy (even in the heat of an argument) and a well of knowledge and historic perspective. He will be dearly missed!

 

[ICM1970]

Sad to hear about this. I always enjoyed the vintage news articles and other such things of interest that he shared here.

 

[Thenameless]

Rest in peace Canadiens1958. You will be missed.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

His posts in the History section were one of the main reasons I would come to the History section. He will be missed.

 

[Fenway]

Just found out his death was sudden as he had a heart attack on a Montreal bus and he was gone before the EMT's arrived.

 

[Eisen]

I don't write a lot here but I read very often. I liked to read his posts (despite ranking Hasek so low ). It was often very informative, at times funny and always very straight. I enjoyed him.
Gute Reise.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Just found out his death was sudden as he had a heart attack on a Montreal bus and he was gone before the EMT's arrived.

Man...that's terrible. Sudden deaths are... yeah.

The whole thing is very sad.

Seems like he lived a good life and was beloved by many in his communities, so his legacy lives on.

 

[wetcoast]

Man...that's terrible. Sudden deaths are... yeah.

The whole thing is very sad.

Seems like he lived a good life and was beloved by many in his communities, so his legacy lives on.

Having seen several friends die of cancer over the last 14 months , a sudden death, is sometimes the better scenario.

That being said Andrew will be sorely missed and he left us too soon.

As with many on here, I didn't always get along with Andrew, but his knowledge of the history of the sport we all love made me respect him.

I enjoyed his posts, especially if I didn't agree with them. Condolences to the family.

I echo both thoughts, in fact I'm pretty sure he had me on block at the end but I enjoyed his viewpoint and it always made for interesting reading.

His passion for the game was unmatched and it sounds like he had a rich life surrounding his passion..

 

[grentthealien]

Sad to hear. As someone who’s only a casual poster I won’t pretend to have had a wealth of experience with him, but his name does stand out and I do remember his posts always were passionate and always got conversations going. He seemed to have a ton of knowledge to offer especially about the O6 era. As a guy nearing his mid 20s such knowledge was quite valuable.

I believe he posted a lot in my thread “What would it take for a player of today to challenge for a spot in the big 4?”
While I never took an active stance on the topic I found the replies to it immensely interesting and it allowed me to gauge hockey fans expectations for the players of today and I still go back and re read them to this day. He was very active in that discussion and I am thankful for his contribution to it.

May he R.I.P.

 

[GMR]

RIP to him and condolences to his family.

There's not a lot of posters on sports forums who can say they personally watched some of the players he did. Unfortunately, hockey doesn't have the video footage that something like boxing has. He was a library for us younger posters.

 

[Ralph Spoilsport]

Damn.

The things I could learn from this guy. Priceless.

RIP, '58.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Damn.

The things I could learn from this guy. Priceless.

RIP, '58.

Not to go off topic... but did someone draw a C on his sweater in pen?

 

[Ralph Spoilsport]

Not to go off topic... but did someone draw a C on his sweater in pen?

Right? And block out the "A" with the same pen. Use a red pen!

 

[unknown33]

Terrible news - my condolences to his family. C1958 was a great contributor to this board and had a lot of unique knowledge to share.

 

[Pominville Knows]

Right? And block out the "A" with the same pen. Use a red pen!

Don't know if red ink was too readily available back then, but i could be wrong.

 

[Yurog]

RIP

 

[AlternateSideParking]

RIP Canadiens1958 / Andrew. Used to PM me advice on how to handle some of the vultures lol. Sounds like he led a very interesting life centered on hockey.