TSN: Responsibility for playoff failures

[capfit9]

 

[rumman]

Easier question is who doesn’t, that’s a short list:
Tanev
Stoli
Benny
McCabe
OEL
Knies
Patches

 

[Nineteen67]

According to the Panthers it’s all the so called pressure from the media and fans. Not one single person cited an example, nor can they. In fact, it’s such a tame media and the fans are the most passionate in the league making it one of the easiest places to play……if you’re decent. If this team was in any other Canadian city they would have been crucified years ago and would have played in empty buildings.

The problem is that management didn’t recognize, or chose to ignore, the red flags with core starting with JT’s return to Long Island and that Sunday afternoon game 6 at home against Boston.

 

[Anthrax442]

Videos with Craig Button should have a warning.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

According to the Panthers it’s all the so called pressure from the media and fans. Not one single person cited an example, nor can they. In fact, it’s such a tame media and the fans are the most passionate in the league making it one of the easiest places to play……if you’re decent. If this team was in any other Canadian city they would have been crucified years ago and would have played in empty buildings.

Despite the vibe in the SBA lower bowl, it’s still a pretty blue collar fan base. If your scoring is drying up, dumping players on their asses and adding physicality to your game buys you a decent amount of runway with the fans (that’s if the pressure is as problematic as high as they say).

 

[Nineteen67]

Despite the vibe in the SBA lower bowl, it’s still a pretty blue collar fan base. If your scoring is drying up, dumping players on their asses and adding physicality to your game buys you a decent amount of runway with the fans (that’s if the pressure is as problematic as high as they say).

And management didn’t recognize their best players cant do that and they kept putting them in situations where they were bound to fail. The fans react and the media reports. They don’t cause.

 

[DarkKnight]

Videos with Craig Button should have a warning.

Thanks, I almost watched.

 

[rumman]

Videos with Craig Button should have a warning.

Craig nails it right here folks…….

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Button looking like the joker in that red suit

 

[TheGreatOne11]

It's obviously the passengers

 

[A1LeafNation]

Shanahan wasted 3-5 years.

We knew about these problems since 2021.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Craig nails it right here folks…….

He can be right and still be annoying as f***.

 

[rumman]

He can be right and still be annoying as f***.

Bottom line is the truth hurts, don’t shoot the messenger……

 

[Tak7]

According to the Panthers it’s all the so called pressure from the media and fans. Not one single person cited an example, nor can they. In fact, it’s such a tame media and the fans are the most passionate in the league making it one of the easiest places to play……if you’re decent. If this team was in any other Canadian city they would have been crucified years ago and would have played in empty buildings.

The problem is that management didn’t recognize, or chose to ignore, the red flags with core starting with JT’s return to Long Island and that Sunday afternoon game 6 at home against Boston.

I've been to every home game of the 16/34 era except 2, and I'm so embarrassed at how much money I've paid that I refuse to tell anyone the total amount.

I'm so f***ing tired of this idea that Toronto is a HARD market to play in, and the fans are too demanding, etc.

You show up, give a damn, and play hard? We idolize you. We lionize you. The number of past greats that they've paraded out at SBA throughout this playoffs, that receive massive pops from fans out of sheer love and respect - Roberts, Tucks, Stumpy, CuJo - are guys that didn't win ANYTHING here, but just battled and showed a respect for the jersey and the fans.

When's the last time someone (anyone?!) in the media actually asked a tough question of this group?

I'm so irrationally angry at this idea that the fans are somehow to blame. It fires me up that the people that are so damn loyal to a product that doesn't deserve it, and fork out insane amounts of money for NOTHING in return, would get any sort of criticism whatsoever.

 

[mattihp]

Having only one three playoff series once is astonishing. Something needs to be done, starting at the highest up and all the way to the lowest. Losing culture is hard to wash away.

 

[Tak7]

Shanahan wasted 3-5 years.

We knew about these problems since 2021.

Regardless of where anyone stands on Kyle Dubas - he was the only one in that organization brave enough to actually trade away one of the core pieces, and when he tried to do it before the Marner NMC kicked in, Shanahan fired him and preferred to keep them together.

That's the sort of inept, embarrassing decision making that will condemn this franchise to ruin, and frankly, should be a fireable offense.

Today is their locker clean out day and chance to speak to the media - if I don't hear something about Shanahan being done here, I'm going to be livid.

 

[Nineteen67]

I've been to every home game of the 16/34 era except 2, and I'm so embarrassed at how much money I've paid that I refuse to tell anyone the total amount.

I'm so f***ing tired of this idea that Toronto is a HARD market to play in, and the fans are too demanding, etc.

You show up, give a damn, and play hard? We idolize you. We lionize you. The number of past greats that they've paraded out at SBA throughout this playoffs, that receive massive pops from fans out of sheer love and respect - Roberts, Tucks, Stumpy, CuJo - are guys that didn't win ANYTHING here, but just battled and showed a respect for the jersey and the fans.

When's the last time someone (anyone?!) in the media actually asked a tough question of this group?

I'm so irrationally angry at this idea that the fans are somehow to blame. It fires me up that the people that are so damn loyal to a product that doesn't deserve it, and fork out insane amounts of money for NOTHING in return, would get any sort of criticism whatsoever.

I honestly don’t think the media has ever asked a tough question since Shaky Hunt retired, and he wasn’t tough by any means.
Nobody can cite an example of the media being unfair or the fans being anything but passionate. Both are guilty of over hyping the team, and maybe the Panthers are just trolling.

 

[Tak7]

I honestly don’t think the media has ever asked a tough question since Shaky Hunt retired, and he wasn’t tough by any means.
Nobody can cite an example of the media being unfair or the fans being anything but passionate. Both are guilty of over hyping the team, and maybe the Panthers are just trolling.

The days of Howard Berger, Steve Simmons, and some random hack with CTV trying to carve a name for himself, are over.

Toronto Star reporters going beyond a player, and contacting their mothers, for a medical update? Ancient history.

This new wave of media covering the Leafs is so much friendlier. More soft. This idea that Toronto is somehow a difficult market, is such genuinely horseshit.

SIMON BENOIT HAD A FEATURE DONE ON HIM AS PART OF A PRE-GAME SHOW IN ROUND 1 OF THE BATTLE OF ONTARIO - tell me, what other market would put that sort of spotlight and positivity on a 6th Dman?!

 

[LeafGrief]

I've been to every home game of the 16/34 era except 2, and I'm so embarrassed at how much money I've paid that I refuse to tell anyone the total amount.

I'm so f***ing tired of this idea that Toronto is a HARD market to play in, and the fans are too demanding, etc.

You show up, give a damn, and play hard? We idolize you. We lionize you. The number of past greats that they've paraded out at SBA throughout this playoffs, that receive massive pops from fans out of sheer love and respect - Roberts, Tucks, Stumpy, CuJo - are guys that didn't win ANYTHING here, but just battled and showed a respect for the jersey and the fans.

When's the last time someone (anyone?!) in the media actually asked a tough question of this group?

I'm so irrationally angry at this idea that the fans are somehow to blame. It fires me up that the people that are so damn loyal to a product that doesn't deserve it, and fork out insane amounts of money for NOTHING in return, would get any sort of criticism whatsoever.

Amen, brother.

All we want is to follow a group of men who are going to give their best. Guys who care as much as we do. Guys who get it. What's so maddening is that there's a big tournament at the end of every season where the whole world gets to watch which players get it, and we can see that there's a whole lot of them out there, playing for other teams. Yet our guys, with all the talent in the world are duds.

Woe that our big guns are duds, but any of these media types or Paul Maurices's who have the audacity to say that we're judging them unfairly is infuriating. They're DUDS, they are so unreliable as to be reliable that they unreliable. If we'd run them out of town after the second Boston series, or even the CBJ series, someone could argue that we were harsh, but these guys have had nine years. The dud going to finally go off if you hit it a 10th time?

We're mostly men, watching other men. Things that men generally value, such as competence in stressful situations, ability to lead or follow, or a sense of the heroic, these guys have ZERO! How am I supposed to even respect these guys any more? Yeah, they play hockey real good, but the shit that I actually care about when the chips are down, the "intangibles" that translate into on-ice success and the things that we venerate the Tuckers, Gilmours, and Clarks for, these guys don't have ANY!

I don't need them to win. I need them to be respectable. This group isn't respectable.

 

[Trapper]

Shanahan. He allowed the inmates to run the Asylum.
The Maple Leafs need to set the identity.
A hard working , skilled blue collar team. A team that can rush, heavy forecheck, puck battles, defend. And for this reason, the entire core needs to go. They’ve been Alpha fail for 9 years.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Bottom line is the truth hurts, don’t shoot the messenger……

I just don't like Button lmao I don't give a damn what he has to say whether it is good or bad about the Leafs. It is irrelevant.

 

[Stephen]

I've been to every home game of the 16/34 era except 2, and I'm so embarrassed at how much money I've paid that I refuse to tell anyone the total amount.

I'm so f***ing tired of this idea that Toronto is a HARD market to play in, and the fans are too demanding, etc.

You show up, give a damn, and play hard? We idolize you. We lionize you. The number of past greats that they've paraded out at SBA throughout this playoffs, that receive massive pops from fans out of sheer love and respect - Roberts, Tucks, Stumpy, CuJo - are guys that didn't win ANYTHING here, but just battled and showed a respect for the jersey and the fans.

When's the last time someone (anyone?!) in the media actually asked a tough question of this group?

I'm so irrationally angry at this idea that the fans are somehow to blame. It fires me up that the people that are so damn loyal to a product that doesn't deserve it, and fork out insane amounts of money for NOTHING in return, would get any sort of criticism whatsoever.

I think there’s jealousy in those comments by the Florida Panthers to some degree. They can build one of the great killer teams of the decade but at the end of the day, nobody really cares what they do. They don’t have this Toronto spotlight. Go win back to back cups, Mitch Willie and Auston make more money, get longer summers and are way bigger stars. The Leafs are a team that gets champions league attention while the rest of the NHL is division 1 football.

 

[Tak7]

I think there’s jealousy in those comments by the Florida Panthers to some degree. They can build one of the great killer teams of the decade but at the end of the day, nobody really cares what they do. They don’t have this Toronto spotlight. Go win back to back cups, Mitch Willie and Auston make more money, get longer summers and are way bigger stars. The Leafs are a team that gets champions league attention while the rest of the NHL is division 1 football.

It's not jealousy at all.

I think it's pity. Let's not forget that most Panthers sought out that experience, and many resign there to continue with that experience; play for a fiercely competitive team, under a world class coach and fantastic hockey operations, and then walk to the beach and hang out with their families and enjoy fantastic weather without being recognized or bothered?

Don't forget - a number of players have re-upped in Florida because it's such a desirable place to play.

Matthew Tkachuk gets all this praise, but the reality is he sought out a zero-scrutiny market after spending some time in a Canadian market, and looks so much happier having done so.

 

[dangomon]

Easier question is who doesn’t, that’s a short list:
Tanev
Stoli
Benny
McCabe
OEL
Knies
Patches

I'd add Woll too. I know he wasn't perfect but the Leafs were so bad in front of him that he never really stood a chance. Was exceptional in game 6 to even get us to that game 7 debacle.

 

[The Iceman]

Videos with Craig Button should have a warning.

HA, and should be played beside his "Edmonton will not beat LA" video