GhostofYotesFan47
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I would actually be mad. Forget the draft, that means our roster is so bad that even a highly touted 1OA wouldn't save us.
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MIGs Dog
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It would also mean our new coach sucks.
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I think they just need to be smart. As an example, say you trade Kessel for picks at the draft and then sign Hoffman to replace him, only to trade him for picks at the deadline. That’s not really tanking. That’s just double dipping.
Trade Kuemper for picks at the draft. Sign Halak to replace him. Trade Halak for picks at the deadline. Again, the team didn’t get a whole lot worse, but picked up assets in the process.
The Coyotes were the 10th worst team in the league last year and that was with most of the pieces Chayka brought in while attempting to compete. That was the best they could do.
Moving a few of those pieces out now and replacing them with shorter term pieces that are more moveable at the deadline doesn’t really make the team much worse. The team doesn’t have to be much worse to get a great draft pick.
Trade Kuemper for picks at the draft. Sign Halak to replace him. Trade Halak for picks at the deadline. Again, the team didn’t get a whole lot worse, but picked up assets in the process.
The Coyotes were the 10th worst team in the league last year and that was with most of the pieces Chayka brought in while attempting to compete. That was the best they could do.
Moving a few of those pieces out now and replacing them with shorter term pieces that are more moveable at the deadline doesn’t really make the team much worse. The team doesn’t have to be much worse to get a great draft pick.
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This is REALLY hard for me to choose. The reason why I say this is our ability to draft first / second line players has not been real good, that's why the tanking concept bothers me the most. It's basically a crapshoot (for the Coyotes anyway- Hayton, Strome, Domi, Merkley, POJ, etc)
My opinion only...
My opinion only...
Mangosteen
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Other than trading for picks in the draft we have no idea what GMBA is thinking. We all know what he wants the final outcome to be, but how he gets there and how fast he gets there is another story. I would think we might get a little bit better idea in the next couple of weeks.
I am ambigous on this. I don't have much faith in our current core so I wouldn't be overly sad to see most of them gone but I am afraid that a season where the Yotes win only a single digit number of games night be worse. I am afraid of establishing a culture of losing that is very hard to get rid of. While some might argue that the Yotes already have a culture of losing I still think that there are some young-ish players on this team worth keeping and I don't like the idea of playing youth for youths sake (didn't they kinda try this in the 08/09 season with Boedker, Turris, Tikhonov?). I like the idea of surrounding our younger players that are maybe worth keeping with more experienced high effort players, if they lose that way, at least they tried and did not just give up for the sake of a high draft pick.
Never tank. You change the culture by winning. If we tank I guarantee Chych will want out, and you can add DVO and Garland to the mix, if he isn't already gone. I think Garland is asking for big money because deep down he probably wants out as he knows we won't be a contender while he is in his prime. OEL has also come to his senses and wants out. Players want to win and we have had enough losing here for ten teams. If we had the good fortune of winning the lottery it does not guarantee you anything. We need lots of luck at the draft table, with trades, and player signings.
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While I hate the idea of tanking, recent history says drafting very high is a critical element of putting a Cup team together. Cup winners with 1OAs on their roster: Tampa, Chicago, Pittsburgh (2), and Washington. These teams' also had 2OAs or other high picks that were substantial contributors.
Of course, there's Edmonton, Buffalo, and perhaps NJ that perhaps will eventually prove the thesis wrong.
I think the biggest lesson is you must draft well (regardless of pick#), have a wily GM to acquire the pieces that the draft doesn't bring, and a coach that knows how to maximize talent.
Of course, there's Edmonton, Buffalo, and perhaps NJ that perhaps will eventually prove the thesis wrong.
I think the biggest lesson is you must draft well (regardless of pick#), have a wily GM to acquire the pieces that the draft doesn't bring, and a coach that knows how to maximize talent.
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I strongly want to believe that AT can bring out the best in some of the young guys. With that being said, the roster isn't good enough to compete for the playoffs, especially with the pending sale of Kessel, Keumper, and others. Maybe we get hot during some stretches and we just miss out but depending on the goalie we sign, I would tend to believe that we'll finish at best 6th in the division.
1st. Avalanche
2nd. Wild
3rd. Jets
4th. Blues
5th. Stars
6th - 8th. Predators/Blackhawks/Coyotes
In reality, the coyotes probably finish below the Preds and are contending with Chicago for last.
1st. Avalanche
2nd. Wild
3rd. Jets
4th. Blues
5th. Stars
6th - 8th. Predators/Blackhawks/Coyotes
In reality, the coyotes probably finish below the Preds and are contending with Chicago for last.
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Not much faith in the winning department or the drafting department
Llewzaher
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I would think tank for sure... but i think because it is the Coyotes.. they need to win to keep fans going to the rink ...
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I don't think tanking makes a ton of sense with the lottery rules as they are. There was one season where it made sense and we f***ed it up. I'm all for tearing it down and rebuilding though, which does call for trading established talent for futures. We need to make sure we sign high character hard working players to replace the guys we ship out though. Losing more than winning is to be expected, but you want to keep games close and a competitive team.
They aren't going to straight up tank Buffalo style. It will be losing with character and style, like Ottawa. Plucky.
MIGs Dog
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Which kinda reinforces what's been said on this thread...maybe we should keep Dvo and Garland.
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I'd like to. TBH I'd like to wait to trade anyone until they get 20 or so games with Tourigny.
Ottawa went the entire season without being shut out. They were constantly climbing upwards and together as a group. That's what I want to see from Tourigny and whomever is wearing a Coyotes sweater. That's our Stanley Cup for now.
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I don't think that has, or ever will happen. GMs tank by trading current assets for future assets. Coaches don't tank...they always work to get the best out of the team they have.
Tank, I don't know, but since the owners cap limit is significally below the leauges cap limit I don't know of it is possible to stay competitive.
If tank means: Trade away decent players to lose in hope for the next McDavid, then I oppose it.
If tank means: Getting Lucic or Loui Eriksson on your team because you also get a bunch for assets for the future, then I am all for it.
You can find a lot of quality players that are not 1st overall.
If tank means: Trade away decent players to lose in hope for the next McDavid, then I oppose it.
If tank means: Getting Lucic or Loui Eriksson on your team because you also get a bunch for assets for the future, then I am all for it.
You can find a lot of quality players that are not 1st overall.
BigJCaRoach
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Serious question, are you guys who are rooting for a full tear down, raze everything, trade off 25 year old Dvo because hE dOeSnT fIt tHe tImELinE, etc, are you guys going to be buying tickets? Supporting the team financially the next 3-4 years? Because those of us who get partials or go to as many games as we can a year look at the OEL/Garland deal and the rumored Dvo deals and wonder how the hell do they think we are going to spend money on the LTIR of Beagle and Roussel. Dylan Guenther years away. Etc, etc.
Again, serious question. Are you guys rooting for this tear down while not spending any money supporting the team through this mess?
Again, serious question. Are you guys rooting for this tear down while not spending any money supporting the team through this mess?
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