You can't use player votes as the only method of determining a league's best referee. Those who train and assign the officials in each country must have the biggest say.
Rene Fasel should resign!
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Also spectators would vote Levonen the best. Clearly.
Henriksson is average, and thats not a good thing. Levonen is maybe the only good one.
Henriksson is average, and thats not a good thing. Levonen is maybe the only good one.
On a side note that pisses me off more then the Nash incident. (which probably only is talked about to annoy canadian posters who are a bit cocky at times... 
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IIHF is run by a huge group of small countrys, on member one vote. The Vietnamese Hockey Federation has as much power as the Swedish Hockey Federation. René Fassel have probably been what Julia Roberts played in a big movie from 1990 in a earlier life...
Canada have leverege because their involvement in International Tournaments aren't taken for granted. Therefor they have more say in where they play, what hotell they live in or when they practise then any of the european countrys.(Atleast thats whats reported in europe...)
The IIHF have also changed their rules so far every year when Germany are eliminated from the WCH. Will we see 32 teams in the WCH next year???
When it comes to making deals with the NHL for transfer sums ect. Mr Fasel is more worried to bring in revenues to the IIHF then European Club teams, for which he is negotiating for.. That NHL teams have the possiblity to sign hockey players under contract in Europe for a transfer sum at 50K USD is ridiculos. A team loosing a star gets the same amount as one team loosing a junior player or 4th liner, and they can do it in late July. The transfer market in Europe are hot in febuary-may. A team that losses a player in July can't replace him...
) IIHF is run by a huge group of small countrys, on member one vote. The Vietnamese Hockey Federation has as much power as the Swedish Hockey Federation. René Fassel have probably been what Julia Roberts played in a big movie from 1990 in a earlier life...
Canada have leverege because their involvement in International Tournaments aren't taken for granted. Therefor they have more say in where they play, what hotell they live in or when they practise then any of the european countrys.(Atleast thats whats reported in europe...)
The IIHF have also changed their rules so far every year when Germany are eliminated from the WCH. Will we see 32 teams in the WCH next year???
When it comes to making deals with the NHL for transfer sums ect. Mr Fasel is more worried to bring in revenues to the IIHF then European Club teams, for which he is negotiating for.. That NHL teams have the possiblity to sign hockey players under contract in Europe for a transfer sum at 50K USD is ridiculos. A team loosing a star gets the same amount as one team loosing a junior player or 4th liner, and they can do it in late July. The transfer market in Europe are hot in febuary-may. A team that losses a player in July can't replace him...
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I'm more worried about the fact, that many of the most high ranked heads in the IIHF are from these traditionally strong hockey countries like Spain and Slovenia.
I think they should cancel the whole tournament over the Nash incident. We just can't have things like this going on in hockey!!! And when the IIHF comes and asks my opinion and the opinions of all the posters on these boards, I'll be sure to let them know, so that they can make their decision based on our opinions. 
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Though Nash should have been disciplined, I don't think there's a blatant bias towards Canada in this tourney as the game against Slovakia showed, Canada was disallowed a perfectly good goal and there wasn't a meaningful penalty to Visnovsky when he crosschecked Gagné from behind into the boards after his first goal.
It goes both ways.
It goes both ways.
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The goal was disallowed because ref didn't see the puck, if you want discussed disallowed goals look no further than Canada-Finland game where the ref blew his whistle for no reason fractions before the puck went in to Canada's goal.
The reffing in Canada-Slovaki was the best so far IMHO (not that it's much), the only thing ref clearly missed was Heatley's highstick which cut open Zednik.
But compared the qualifying round, reffing was good.
The reffing in Canada-Slovaki was the best so far IMHO (not that it's much), the only thing ref clearly missed was Heatley's highstick which cut open Zednik.
But compared the qualifying round, reffing was good.
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I don't know why the IIHF would throw the book at Nash when the alleged victim, the ref, didn't even mention the incident in his game report. As for the contact with the linesman, it was accidental contact by Nash. He was blindsided by the linesman.
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The ref was a blind, gullible sap, like most of his Euro colleagues. Jovo was cut with a high stick. No call. Blatant intent-to-injure crosscheck draws a 10-minute misconduct and no manpower disadvantage -- truly one of the most bizarre calls I've ever seen. On the disallowed goal, the puck was loose in the crease in clear view behind the goalie. He never had a hold on it. If there was a whistle, it was AFTER the puck went in.Pepper said:
At least the game had some flow, although the teams probably deserve more credit for that than the ref does. One more Ukraine trap-and-clutch-fest and I might give up on hockey completely.
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Jorge Garcia said:
Heh, how can you argue against compelling arguments like that?
The whistle blew clearly before the puck went in, that was clear to anyone who was watching the game with sounds on.
The ref gave 2+10min for the hit on Gagne, perfectly within the rules. I don't know why there wasn't PP but Team Canada sure didn't protest it in anyway.
When did that highstick on Jovo happen? Didn't see it.
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Pepper said:Heh, how can you argue against compelling arguments like that?
When did that highstick on Jovo happen? Didn't see it.
Answer 1: You can't. Don't even try.
Answer 2: Early in the second, as I recall. You wouldn't notice because the guy's Canadian: he took the shot and went to the bench like a hockey player, instead of flopping and flailing like a soccer boy.
Pepper said:Heh, how can you argue against compelling arguments like that?
The whistle blew clearly before the puck went in, that was clear to anyone who was watching the game with sounds on.
The ref gave 2+10min for the hit on Gagne, perfectly within the rules. I don't know why there wasn't PP but Team Canada sure didn't protest it in anyway.
When did that highstick on Jovo happen? Didn't see it.
the ref did not give 2+10min on the call.
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oh, you mean the "goal" where the finnish player checked the canadian player right into the goalie? is that one you are talking about?
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psycho_dad said:After the Nash incident, the president of IIHF, Rene Fasel commented that Nash hooking the ref was unintentional. That's an outrage. How can someone go public with such a false statement, on a case where everyone can see that it was totally intentional?
If the IIHF wants to keep some sort of credibility after this, they should let Fasel go. Europeans are not used to outrageous lies like that, at least not in public. This goes to show how horribly corrupted "one hand washes the other" organisation the IIHF is these days. They are feeding us this stupid lie, and expecting us to just swallow that, like we were Bush voters or something.
I urge everyone to write to your local hockey covering TV stations and other media to keep pushing on this matter. If nobody raises a finger, this corruption will never stop, it will only get worse. People need to be aware of what goes on behind the curtains. Only that way we will maybe get an organisation that gives every country an equal treatment in the eyes of IIHF. There is absolutely no question about what would have happened if a player from say Belarus would have hooked a ref and pushed a linesman. That player would have been kicked out in a heartbeat. Players and teams deserve to be treated by the same standards.
Do you really believe that had it been a Sundin or Forsberg or JAGR or any other star from any other country that the result would not have been the same? No, I'll tell you what would have been different; the outrage that you're seeing now would be cut to a bare minimum while the IIHF decision would still remain. You want to talk about bias and unequal...start there.
But you know, maybe you're on to something here. When you somehow manage to get Fassel out, lets get a guy in there that brings the rules and regulations back to what they should be. A normal sized rink, and with referees calling from a regular playbook. The missed call on Nash's stuff-in during today's Slovakia game attests to the corruption of Fassel's evil IIHF empire! Everybody, rise up! Rise up!
You're pretty clever...I hope the protection of your monitor and keyboard is soothing. I bet it gives you courage to say stupid **** like this, no?
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Oil_slick9416 said:
And Habscheid sure was protesting...
A few Slovaks also managed to draw some calls with a couple of well orchestrated dives, Redden's penalty comes to mind.
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I am not sure if this is correct. The ref didn't see the check, he was skating towards the "speaker"(or what ever its called in eng.) thats why I belive only a ten was given. My bet is that he made a calcultated guess of what happned. He could give Vydareny a 5 if he was sure it was even a foul. But he would look like a idiot if he didn't do anything so he gave him a personal 10...
Also to the refs defense, for people who didn't see the game, one can draw a parallel to the Domi-Niedermayer incident. Only Domi and Scott Stevens(who where in the penalty box) really saw what happened... This time though the referees where probably the only ones who didn't see what happend.
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