Regarding the conditions of the former Monahan trade to MTL

[BoneHutson]

After reading and debating on the conditions attached to the famous 25 1st rd pick that MTL shall receive from CGY, it seems like the nature of the pick MTL will receive depends entirely on whether CGY gets FLAs 1st RD pick (which was previously acquired in the Tkachuk trade).

In the picture below, you can see that the pick transfered to CGY is lottery protect. Does it mean top 10 protect OR top 16 protect (meaning that if FLA misses the playoffs by one spot, they get to keep their first and transfer their 26 one instead)?

Assuming lottery protect means top 16 (as it logically should since every teams missing the playoffs are taking part in the lottery), then MTL would get CGYs top 1 (only) protected 25 first.

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[BoneHutson]

And to further support the idea that lottery protect means top 16, you can see in the pictures below that other trades involving a protected 1st rd pick all specify top 10 or top 5 (not using the term lottery protected)

 

[Anglesmith]

It would be wonderful if the official details were easier to find from a more direct source. "Lottery protected" is just lazy because of the ambiguity.

Other sources say top 10 protected specifically: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/calga...t-to-the-montreal-canadiens-with-sean-monahan

So then it raises the question of what source your images are using, and what sources the Hockey News are using, and which is better.

 

[BoneHutson]

It would be wonderful if the official details were easier to find from a more direct source. "Lottery protected" is just lazy because of the ambiguity.

Other sources say top 10 protected specifically: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/calga...t-to-the-montreal-canadiens-with-sean-monahan

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So then it raises the question of what source your images are using, and what sources the Hockey News are using, and which is better.

Its Capfriendly. Theyre usually the more reliable ressource out there as you probably know. Then again, as I specified in my second comment, it would be weird if lottery protect was the term used to say top 10 protect, when other trades involving a protected first specify top 10 or top 5

 

[KrisLetAngry]

It would be wonderful if the official details were easier to find from a more direct source. "Lottery protected" is just lazy because of the ambiguity.

Other sources say top 10 protected specifically: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/calga...t-to-the-montreal-canadiens-with-sean-monahan

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So then it raises the question of what source your images are using, and what sources the Hockey News are using, and which is better.

Yes it is quite unfortunate it is hard to get details like this.

The NHL hates the fact as fans we know this information but honestly as a fan it makes me a bigger fan.

 

[Anglesmith]

Its Capfriendly. Theyre usually the more reliable ressource out there as you probably know. Then again, as I specified in my second comment, it would be weird if lottery protect was the term used to say top 10 protect, when other trades involving a protected first specify top 10 or top 5

The lack of consistency in how they report conditions indicates that they, like other sources, are merely collecting information from other sources. And the lack of consistency in those sources is what leads to ambiguity.

Capfriendly does not define "lottery protected" anywhere on their website, so by using the phrase without a definition they are leaving it up to the reader to interpret however they like; that is, they aren't actually acting as a resource here. The thread you are creating here proves that.

 

[JianYang]

I've noticed Kent Hughes deals can come with alot of strings, but this deal was the mother of them all.

I think some gms may get lost in it, and hang up on him.

 

[Backlund]

As much as Habs fans are salivating at the possibility of getting CGY's 1st next season, you're going to be getting the Panthers pick. Florida isn't going to be a lottery team next season and Calgary will be.

 

[Sherwoo9]

it’s hard to assess since I’ve read multiple places that the protection is top-10 (where you can actually win 1st place lottery) even tho you can « win the lottery » with the 16th pick and go up 10 spots. Puckpedia, among others, tells that it is top-10… But capfriendly says « lottery protected » while they use the words « top-10 protected » for the NJD 1st pick just after..
could it be that it’s just if they « win » the lottery? Ex: the pick is 4, 7, or 16 but they are not picked with either draw; pick is transferred?!?

 

[Sherwoo9]

As much as Habs fans are salivating at the possibility of getting CGY's 1st next season, you're going to be getting the Panthers pick. Florida isn't going to be a lottery team next season and Calgary will be.

Absolutely… but we can still dream lol… just like we did with the Chiarot pick. There’s still a chance! Let’s say they party all summer… Bob decides he doesn’t care anymore…one key player gets injured while another one sleeps with a respected teammate’s wife and divides the room! Worst things have happened you know! Hahaha

 

[BoneHutson]

As much as Habs fans are salivating at the possibility of getting CGY's 1st next season, you're going to be getting the Panthers pick. Florida isn't going to be a lottery team next season and Calgary will be.

Yeah but it could still happen… what we want to know is what happens then? Is the FLA pick top 10 or top 16 protect?

 

[Backlund]

Yeah but it could still happen… what we want to know is what happens then? Is the FLA pick top 10 or top 16 protect?

The FLA is lottery protected so if they somehow end up terrible next season the pick they give Calgary slides to 2026. If Calgary receives the 2025 FLA pick and the CGY pick is not in the top 10 then Montreal will receive whichever one is higher. If the CGY pick is top 10 and they receive the 2025 FLA pick then Montreal will get the FLA pick.

 

[BoneHutson]

The FLA is lottery protected so if they somehow end up terrible next season the pick they give Calgary slides to 2026. If Calgary receives the 2025 FLA pick and the CGY pick is not in the top 10 then Montreal will receive whichever one is higher. If the CGY pick is top 10 and they receive the 2025 FLA pick then Montreal will get the FLA pick.

Yeah, but what does lottery protect means!? That is the question! Is it top 16 protect (as it logically should), top 11 (because only teams in the top 11 can move to 1st OA), top 2 (after the lottery) or anything else?

 

[Backlund]

Yeah, but what does lottery protect means!? That is the question! Is it top 16 protect (as it logically should), top 11 (because only teams in the top 11 can move to 1st OA), top 2 (after the lottery) or anything else?

Lottery protected means top 16. The top 10 protections are just trade conditions the GMs put in place on the picks.

 

[JPeeper]

TLDR: Habs are getting Florida's 1st next year. There is nothing to discuss, zilch, nada, the opposite of something. Flames will be bottom 10 and keep their own pick while Florida makes the playoffs.

To appease the OP the Flames pick is top 10 protected.

 

[BoneHutson]

TLDR: Habs are getting Florida's 1st next year. There is nothing to discuss, zilch, nada, the opposite of something. Flames will be bottom 10 and keep their own pick while Florida makes the playoffs.

To appease the OP the Flames pick is top 10 protected.

Not its lottery protect = top 16. If it was top 10 protect, it would be indicated as such in the trade conditions just like any other trades (see pics)

 

[Frank Drebin]

As much as Habs fans are salivating at the possibility of getting CGY's 1st next season, you're going to be getting the Panthers pick. Florida isn't going to be a lottery team next season and Calgary will be.

Yeah that is the likely scenario

But if Florida misses the playoffs (stranger things have happened) things get very nutty

 

[Anglesmith]

it’s hard to assess since I’ve read multiple places that the protection is top-10 (where you can actually win 1st place lottery) even tho you can « win the lottery » with the 16th pick and go up 10 spots. Puckpedia, among others, tells that it is top-10… But capfriendly says « lottery protected » while they use the words « top-10 protected » for the NJD 1st pick just after..
could it be that it’s just if they « win » the lottery? Ex: the pick is 4, 7, or 16 but they are not picked with either draw; pick is transferred?!?

I thought about this, but I really don't imagine that is the case. Just logically, it would mean that the pick is more protected the better the team is. If Florida finished in last place but lost both draws, they would not be protected and would give up the 3rd overall. But if they finished 12th-last and won the lottery, they could make their 2nd overall pick.

Just doesn't seem like a realistic condition.