Proposal: Red Wings Rangers

[noncents]

If Miller was actually this good, the Rangers wouldn't be trading him.

first principles here: do the rangers have any f***ing clue what they're doing?

the answer, of course, is no. So your argument is nil.

 

[10 Ply Labradoodle]

Seems aggressive. Detroit isn't in a position to give up an asset like Kasper (or Danielson) at this stage, unless it's for a massive overpayment.

Detroit's needs at center are significantly greater than their needs on defense and, to Detroit, having Kasper is much more valuable than acquiring Miller.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

first principles here: do the rangers have any f***ing clue what they're doing?

the answer, of course, is no. So your argument is nil.

And your argument is seemingly backing up a proposal that Detroit should trade a recent Top 10 pick and a 2nd round pick for him, rather than just offer sheet him and pay a mid 1st in 2026 and a 3rd round pick...

... You're on the much more logical side of this argument for sure.

 

[Djp]

of course he is , Red Wings prospects are worth more than diamonds, everyone who has ever been on HF knows this

He was a top 10 pick, first yr as a 20 yr old had nearly 0.5 ppg. Hes supposed to br a center

It takes alot more thsn an RFA LD coming off a very poor season

 

[wetcoast]

Rangers get Marco Kasper, ,2ed 2025

Red Wings get K'Andre Miller

Detroit hangs up and blocks the number.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Detroit hangs up and blocks the number.

Why block the number. Drury will get desperate and beg Yzerman to take Miller for peanuts.

 

[Petes2424]

Rangers did themselves a big disservice allowing Miller to hit arbitration without a long term deal in place. His value took a big hit because of it, but he isn’t/wasn’t getting Kasper straight-up anyway.

It will be interesting to see what his return is this summer, but they’re not even getting what they could’ve a year ago now. For those after Byram and Dobson, he’s the backup plan now. So this might go into July.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Honestly summarizing Kasper as a .5 PPG guy in his rookie year is somewhat of a disservice.

Once Newsy got fired and he got pulled up from 4th Line Hell, Kasper was pacing almost 60 points.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Close this ridiculous thread

 

[GreatGordie9]

Rangers get Marco Kasper, ,2ed 2025

Red Wings get K'Andre Miller

no way lol

 

[Detroit Knights]

I feel like Buium or Wallinder and a 2025 2nd for Miller is a hell of a lot closer to fair value.

I'd probably do Buium and a 2nd or 3rd for miller.

I haven't been in the lab for awhile but I still hold hope for Wallinder to be top 4 some day lol.

 

[Oddbob]

Rangers get Marco Kasper, ,2ed 2025

Red Wings get K'Andre Miller

HAHAHAHA not even close. The nerve to think we add to Kasper too!

 

[Oddbob]

Wings don't need to trade for a defenseman. Come back with a real 2C.

This is so not true. However this deal is all sorts of garbage.

 

[Oddbob]

the under representation of k'andre millers value is so funny. This is a guy who if he wore anything but a NYR jersey would be worth a 2nd +high end prospect / ELC player all day.

huge minute munching mobile Dman who is 24, primed for a great contract in an exploding cap world. Multiple ECF runs, always steps up when the games matter, and he had phil f***ing housley coaching his D last 2 years. Wake up.

Rangers fans trying to get rid of this guy are f***ing idiots. The chest puffing Wings dudes saying they don't want him except for Tarasenko are somehow even dumber.

Miller is fine, but not for Kasper and not for adding to Kasper.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Hey Van Winkle, Kasper played in the NHL this past season and his production as a 20 y.o. rookie more than shows his value is greater than the regressing asset you're trying to pimp out.

Gotta say I'm surprised some wings fans say he's the top prospect on the wings.
I mean 37 points as a rookie is good but Hoglander had 27 in 56 games at the same age and was a 2nd round pick not the 8th.
He seems like a 60 point guy which again is fine but I would have thought Edvinson or ASP would be a little higher on the wings board.

 

[datsyukfan]

Gotta say I'm surprised some wings fans say he's the top prospect on the wings.
I mean 37 points as a rookie is good but Hoglander had 27 in 56 games at the same age and was a 2nd round pick not the 8th.
He seems like a 60 point guy which again is fine but I would have thought Edvinson or ASP would be a little higher on the wings board.

Maybe watch the games Kasper played 4th line under Lalonde and took off under Todd. Also he is super heavy on the puck and very good defensively. Kid has legit shot to be a 60-70 point selke type C in his prime

 

[AirGut]

Kasper is just not a guy the Rangers should be targeting. He wouldn't help much of anything with a league trending away from cardboard type forwards again, especially in the big East.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Gotta say I'm surprised some wings fans say he's the top prospect on the wings.
I mean 37 points as a rookie is good but Hoglander had 27 in 56 games at the same age and was a 2nd round pick not the 8th.
He seems like a 60 point guy which again is fine but I would have thought Edvinson or ASP would be a little higher on the wings board.

ASP is the only one of these that's a prospect and yes he's our best prospect.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Kasper wasn't available when Dylan Cozens was on the market. That should give you some insight into how the organization views him. There's no way he's part of a deal for Miller.

 

[Petes2424]

the under representation of k'andre millers value is so funny. This is a guy who if he wore anything but a NYR jersey would be worth a 2nd +high end prospect / ELC player all day.

huge minute munching mobile Dman who is 24, primed for a great contract in an exploding cap world. Multiple ECF runs, always steps up when the games matter, and he had phil f***ing housley coaching his D last 2 years. Wake up.

Rangers fans trying to get rid of this guy are f***ing idiots. The chest puffing Wings dudes saying they don't want him except for Tarasenko are somehow even dumber.

Yet the Rangers failed to lock him up prior to him qualifying for arbitration. He now holds all tbe cards. The NHL did this to themselves, but teams are petrified to go to arbitration with an above average, younger Dman, after handing so many big contracts to unproven young Dmen.

You basically have to pay them or trade them before arbitration comes around, or lose a ton of value. The Rangers, Islanders and Sabres all screwed up. Now these 3 can walk themselves to UFA making big money, on short term deals. The teams have zero leverage. If Miller wants to force a trade to his destination, it’s gonna be hard to stop him from doing it. He’ll just pull a Debrincat and refuse to negotiate with other teams. So those teams won’t offer much, and the team who knows he wants to come there, wint be bidding against themselves. He’s getting paid regardless and worse case goes where he wants in 1-2 years.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Gotta say I'm surprised some wings fans say he's the top prospect on the wings.
I mean 37 points as a rookie is good but Hoglander had 27 in 56 games at the same age and was a 2nd round pick not the 8th.
He seems like a 60 point guy which again is fine but I would have thought Edvinson or ASP would be a little higher on the wings board.

Lalonde/4th Line Kasper: 34GP 2G, 5A, 7P

McLellan/Top 6 Kasper: 43GP 17G, 13A, 30P

Soooo yeah. There's definitely a reason people are optimistic about him. I wouldn't put him over Edvinsson... But neither Edvinsson nor Kasper is a prospect at this point.

 

[AirGut]

Kasper wasn't available when Dylan Cozens was on the market. That should give you some insight into how the organization views him. There's no way he's part of a deal for Miller.

Kasper is going to be a hell of a player but it's just not what Chris Drury is looking for here in a potential trade package involving K.Miller. Red Wings and Rangers don't make good partners right now. The rumor of Drury using KAM as a means to move down in a deemed weaker draft hold merit. That's the type of value surrounding K'andre this summer.
Is anyone in this thread thinking about where these players would be playing in OP's proposal?

Kasper 3C between Berard-Perreault?
K.Miller -Seider? Over Edvinsson on LD?

Teams like NSH/SJS are interested in K'andre, not DET, because he can immediately thrust into a natural LHD slot for them without it seeming weird.
LOCK THE THREAD

 

[Run the Jewels]

Kasper is going to be a hell of a player but it's just not what Chris Drury is looking for here in a potential trade package involving K.Miller. Red Wings and Rangers don't make good partners right now. The rumor of Drury using KAM as a means to move down in a deemed weaker draft hold merit. That's the type of value surrounding K'andre this summer.
Is anyone in this thread thinking about where these players would be playing in OP's proposal?

Kasper 3C between Berard-Perreault?
K.Miller -Seider? Over Edvinsson on LD?

Teams like NSH/SJS are interested in K'andre, not DET, because he can immediately thrust into a natural LHD slot for them without it seeming weird.
LOCK THE THREAD

There's also the fact Chris Drury didn't conduct his due diligence when he tried to work a trade with Detroit for Trouba. So it wouldn't be the first time Drury proved to be clueless.

 

[AirGut]

There's also the fact Chris Drury didn't conduct his due diligence when he tried to work a trade with Detroit for Trouba. So it wouldn't be the first time Drury proved to be clueless.

Nothing about the Summer of 2024 has anything to do with an asset like K'andre Miller on the market now. Trouba was and is old + used. My main point is that Detroit doesn't need another tall/mobile LHD because they have invested time and money into Simon Edvinsson. He's a better/younger version of K'andre that can use his size because he's not a headcase. Why would they even be looking for another LHD to take that pathway in the D-core away from Simon? Thoughever, Detroit is stuck in a perpetual loop of trying to breakthrough in the East. Limbo state, something the Rangers have managed to figure out this decade.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Kasper is going to be a hell of a player but it's just not what Chris Drury is looking for here in a potential trade package involving K.Miller. Red Wings and Rangers don't make good partners right now. The rumor of Drury using KAM as a means to move down in a deemed weaker draft hold merit. That's the type of value surrounding K'andre this summer.
Is anyone in this thread thinking about where these players would be playing in OP's proposal?

Kasper 3C between Berard-Perreault?
K.Miller -Seider? Over Edvinsson on LD?

Teams like NSH/SJS are interested in K'andre, not DET, because he can immediately thrust into a natural LHD slot for them without it seeming weird.
LOCK THE THREAD

Dude I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about but are super confident that you do. Every NHL team could use guys like kasper, very responsible centers that are gritty and hit while putting up 20 goals are what every team wants right now, and really always have. And when it comes to the defensive pairings, edvinsson and Seider both carry their own pairings, at least that’s what the team wants it to be like eventually. Miller could be a good fit here, but it certainly won’t be for kasper, there’s no chance of that ever happening.