Value of: Red Wings at the Deadline

[MBH]

Dylan Larkin
CONTRACT: 1 more year at $6.1M
ASK: Massive. From Colorado, for instance, I'd ask for Byram, Newhook + Annunen, at least. And most Wings fans hate that.

Tyler Bertuzzi
CONTRACT: 1 more year at $5,25M
ASK: At least one blue-chip LD/C prospect and a pick. Due to Vax status, I don't see this deal happening this year.

Jakub Vrana
CONTRACT: 2 more years at $4.75M
ASK: See Bertuzzi. One blue-chip LD/C and a pick. Nobody's talking about Vrana, but I think he's bigger-name forward who gets moved.

Pius Suter
CONTRACT: 1 more year at $3.25M
ASK: Maybe a late first. But 2 2nds or a 2nd and 3rd. He's a center. He's over 50 percent on draws. He PKs. He's got OK offensive numbers. He'll go for higher than people might first think.

Vladislav Namestnikov
CONTRACT: UFA ($2M)
ASK: A 2nd. Maybe a 2nd and 4th. Versatile forward who can play all 3 forward positions, the PP and PK. Has playoff experience and some grit.

Sam Gagner
CONTRACT: UFA $850,000
ASK: 3rd or a 4th. Utility RHC/RW who PKs. Dirth cheap.

Nick Leddy
CONTRACT: UFA ($5.5M)
ASK: First rounder or blue-chip LD/C. Despite his awful season, I think someone will overpay for Leddy. Especially as injuries create more needs and reduce the trade market pool.

Filip Hronek
CONTRACT: 2 more years at $4.4M
ASK: Pretty substantial. Bluechip LD/C + a pick. Deal would need to make Yzerman's socks roll up and down.

Troy Stecher
CONTRACT: UFA ($1.7M)
ASK: 5th rounder

Alex Nedeljkovic
CONTRACT: 1 more year, $3M
ASK: Nearly developed blue-chip goalie
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[newfy]

As a wings fan I'm sure a lot of people would like toadd other players on this list to their team, but if I'm a playoff team I look long and hard at adding Namestnikov for a playoff run.

I think Leddy and Stecher are for sure gone, I read somewhere that bringing back a second rounder for Leddy is expected. No clue on Stecher.

Suter is another kinda under the radar guy like Namestnikov that does a tonne of little things well but isnt a flashy name. Adding him for center depth wit how well rounded his game is would be pretty smart for a playoff team.

Dont be surprised if Greiss goes somewhere for goalie depth for a later pick either

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Holy shit. Take your picks for Suter, Leddy, Namestnikov, and Gagner and drop them all by a round.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

And Nedjelkovic (AKA Joke) maybe gets a 3rd.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Is Larkin really worth all that? I mean his numbers suggest that he is a 1B or an elite 2c on a contender. Exactly what Newhook looks like he is becoming. Then you also want Byram and Annunen? I imagine it would be easier to just say he is not available except for a massive overpay.

 

[SI90]

So basically you want all first rounds picks and blue chip prospects for everyone on the roster except Stetcher who you’ll take a 5th round pick for.

 

[MBH]

Is Larkin really worth all that? I mean his numbers suggest that he is a 1B or an elite 2c on a contender. Exactly what Newhook looks like he is becoming. Then you also want Byram and Annunen? I imagine it would be easier to just say he is not available except for a massive overpay.

I love Newhook but Larkin at 19 went went 23-22-45
Newhook, now 21, is going 11-12-23.

I don't think Newhook has Larkin's raw power.

And that raw power is what's going to make Larkin translate so well in the playoffs.

The other thing here is, Larkin = now.
Colorado Avalanche want to win now.

They can't keep Kadri, most likely. Some team is going to overpay Kadri at 31 years old.
Larkin slots into that Kadri spot nicely.
And when his contract does end, he's only 26. You could sign him 8 years to 34.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Is Larkin really worth all that? I mean his numbers suggest that he is a 1B or an elite 2c on a contender. Exactly what Newhook looks like he is becoming. Then you also want Byram and Annunen? I imagine it would be easier to just say he is not available except for a massive overpay.

I think the ideal situation for COL is that Newhook becomes a poor man’s Larkin. Can he come closer to being on par? Sure, but I’m more focused on the likely than the best case scenario.

The entire idea of trading Larkin is stupid. Colorado would be stupid to pay that price and Detroit would be stupid to accept anything else. And neither Sakic nor Yzerman is known for being stupid…

Compound that with the fact that Byram is a non-starter currently, because Colorado isn’t going to sell him for cheap, and nobody’s going to pay anywhere near what he’s worth in his current condition.

And then also consider that Colorado would have to extend Larkin ($8.5M minimum, probably) and MacKinnon ($12M market, $10M team-friendly) in a year, when they could just keep Newhook and Byram on entry level and secondary deals.

 

[rajuabju]

Setting yourself up for disappointment on the returns. I think Leddy / Stetcher are the only ones where you will get something close to ask.

 

[MBH]

So basically you want all first rounds picks and blue chip prospects for everyone on the roster except Stetcher who you’ll take a 5th round pick for.

Are you trying to be funny? Or can you actually not read?

 

[BonMorrison]

That's evaluation, alright

 

[dj Mahoney]

Larkin the word is , a hit away from career ending . Let the buyer beware ,Yzerman is cagey.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I love Newhook but Larkin at 19 went went 23-22-45
Newhook, now 21, is going 11-12-23.

I don't think Newhook has Larkin's raw power.

And that raw power is what's going to make Larkin translate so well in the playoffs.

The other thing here is, Larkin = now.
Colorado Avalanche want to win now.

They can't keep Kadri, most likely. Some team is going to overpay Kadri at 31 years old.
Larkin slots into that Kadri spot nicely.
And when his contract does end, he's only 26. You could sign him 8 years to 34.

Don't get upset if I have my history wrong, but isn't it also a different situation. Larkin was allowed to be the main guy because he was the best on the team. Newhook is on a team where they have Mac. So there is less pressure to put up points. Also, aren't the avs right up at the cap where a young elc is going to make a big difference to them?

 

[MBH]

I think the ideal situation for COL is that Newhook becomes a poor man’s Larkin. Can he come closer to being on par? Sure, but I’m more focused on the likely than the best case scenario.

The entire idea of trading Larkin is stupid. Colorado would be stupid to pay that price and Detroit would be stupid to accept anything else. And neither Sakic nor Yzerman is known for being stupid…

Compound that with the fact that Byram is a non-starter currently, because Colorado isn’t going to sell him for cheap, and nobody’s going to pay anywhere near what he’s worth in his current condition.

And then also consider that Colorado would have to extend Larkin ($8.5M minimum, probably) and MacKinnon ($12M market, $10M team-friendly) in a year, when they could just keep Newhook and Byram on entry level and secondary deals.

Newhook doesn't have the skating to be Larkin.

The idea of trading Larkin isn't stupid.
It's just unlikely.

If you want an impact player, it's going to impact your prospect pool.
If Larkin goes to Colorado and they win a cup - it's worth it.

Teams are trying to win. We forget that.

 

[MBH]

Larkin the word is , a hit away from career ending . Let the buyer beware ,Yzerman is cagey.

Where's this word coming from? I've seen your implication twice now, but never, ever heard it from anyone in the media.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Keep Larkin, Bert, Hronek and Vrana. Unless someone blows you away keep Namestnikov and Suter.

A 1st for Leddy…riiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Do the other GMs have to bring their own barrels or will they be supplied?

 

[MBH]

Don't get upset if I have my history wrong, but isn't it also a different situation. Larkin was allowed to be the main guy because he was the best on the team. Newhook is on a team where they have Mac. So there is less pressure to put up points. Also, aren't the avs right up at the cap where a young elc is going to make a big difference to them?

Nah. But you're right. Larkin did break in with a poorer team.
He bounced between lines at first... paying with Tatar and Pulkkinen at one point.
But mostly, he rode shotgun to the aging Zetterberg.
And he did struggle as he shifted to C in his D+3 season, before bouncing back.

Maybe we throw in Rasmussen to give you a young, cheap player.
I'm not saying Colorado should do it.
Or Detroit should do it.
But that's the kind of deal Detroit would expect.

Imagine what you would have wanted for Landeskog at 25 from a cup contender - and you'll know what I mean.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Newhook doesn't have the skating to be Larkin.

The idea of trading Larkin isn't stupid.
It's just unlikely.

If you want an impact player, it's going to impact your prospect pool.
If Larkin goes to Colorado and they win a cup - it's worth it.

Teams are trying to win. We forget that.

The issue here is that dumping those assets to acquire Larkin is hardly necessary when your 1C is MacKinnon and your 2C is pacing 100 points…

 

[MBH]

Setting yourself up for disappointment on the returns. I think Leddy / Stetcher are the only ones where you will get something close to ask.

Nah. This is the ask.
The ask and the get are two different things.
But sometimes, you can even get more than you ask.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Setting yourself up for disappointment on the returns. I think Leddy / Stetcher are the only ones where you will get something close to ask.

Leddy could get close to that if it’s by a team that hasn’t watched him at all this year, lol.

 

[MBH]

As a wings fan I'm sure a lot of people would like toadd other players on this list to their team, but if I'm a playoff team I look long and hard at adding Namestnikov for a playoff run.

I think Leddy and Stecher are for sure gone, I read somewhere that bringing back a second rounder for Leddy is expected. No clue on Stecher.

Suter is another kinda under the radar guy like Namestnikov that does a tonne of little things well but isnt a flashy name. Adding him for center depth wit how well rounded his game is would be pretty smart for a playoff team.

Dont be surprised if Greiss goes somewhere for goalie depth for a later pick either

I feel like Greiss has entered Jimmy Howard untouchable levels of goaltending.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Actually, I take back what I said about Namestnikov being one of the guys you’d need to drop a round.

He’s been really, really good this year, and I think he wants to stay in Detroit and will take a little less to do it. Unless you blow Yzerman’s mind, Vlad probably doesn’t move.

 

[Vitto79]

Leddy for a 2
Namestnikov for a 4
Greiss for a 5

That’s it

 

[Adam da bomb]

Nah. But you're right. Larkin did break in with a poorer team.
He bounced between lines at first... paying with Tatar and Pulkkinen at one point.
But mostly, he rode shotgun to the aging Zetterberg.
And he did struggle as he shifted to C in his D+3 season, before bouncing back.

Maybe we throw in Rasmussen to give you a young, cheap player.
I'm not saying Colorado should do it.
Or Detroit should do it.
But that's the kind of deal Detroit would expect.

Imagine what you would have wanted for Landeskog at 25 from a cup contender - and you'll know what I mean.

I am a neutral fan I am just curious about how Larkin is viewed and am woefully ignorant about the value of different players.