Shaman464
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Challenge: Find a player on our team that is underpaid ( no ELC's )
Maybe Z?
Challenge: Find a player on our team that is underpaid ( no ELC's )
And yet (per the 2015 and 2016 Forbes numbers), the team has averaged one of the lowest, operating incomes in the league for the last few years, and hasn't budged from #8 in total value. If the goal is 'huge' profit, Ken Holland is an abysmal failure. If the goal is increasing franchise value, he's decidedly average (5-6% ranks about 14th).
I think it's time to stop pretending that this 'franchise goal' is a) actually a goal that's being met and b) still useful as a way to shut down any and all discussion outside the bounds of what *you* specifically want to have.
'Was doing' suggests past tense,
and if their goal 2-4 years ago was to preserve cap flexibility over the next 2-4 years, then boy they failed on that one.
HD liked to mention how certain contracts would come off the books in a couple years so the Wings cap situation would clear up. He would conveniently ignore the very real possibility that Holland would spend any freed up cap space immediately because he wanted to ice a competitive team.
Kinda like he did this season with Trevor Daley and Tomas Tatar. Anyone think Mike Green's six million in cap space is gonna go unused?
You can't rebuild and stay competitive at the same time.
So the cap situation won't improve if Holland wants to remain "competitive."
How? The cap floor is 55.4 mil this year and it'll probably be around that next year. They're a Howard trade away from sitting right on it even as close up as y+1, and that's the real number people need to look at when they talk about 'flexibility', because the Wings have to spend 55+ mil regardless of their organizational strategy anyway.
If Detroit decided to change philosophy, they're nowhere close to being cap prevented from doing so.
Where did the half a bil they got from Detroit fit in?
Detroit's been a profitable team year over year while also remaining in position to ask for (and then get) a gigantic pile of free muni cash, not to mention the huge piles of money they made in the short terms after the salary rollbacks and whatnot.
If you think it's accurate to criticize Holland's financial stewardship of the team... hey, go at it I guess. I don't see anything there to support that position beyond mad libbing some Holland insults.
Nah. You guys can discuss anything you want, obviously. I'll just occasionally point out that what you want obviously isn't what they want, and you (or I) don't get a vote. If you think being reminded of wider context or different priorities is 'shutting down discussion', however, I can't help you out with that. People can choose to interpret whatever they want however they want.
Interesting that now, after signing Rasmussen to ELC, they are 8 333 dollars under the cap, after Franzen is put on LTIR.
Athanasiou is still unsigned, but the math works now for day 1.
Not sure why it would, his caphit is irrelevant since he won't be on the team.
You should know after 12 years since the cap was implemented, that these 1st day cap numbers will matter on LTIR occasions.
Teams will use these ELCs to fix the numbers on a best possible way. It's just the 1st day number and Rasmussen doesn't have to see the ice, but it does the number work.
https://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/7/3/5865615/flyers-salary-cap-pronger-ltir
Looks like we'll go with the option 2.
Interesting that now, after signing Rasmussen to ELC, they are 8 333 dollars under the cap, after Franzen is put on LTIR.
Athanasiou is still unsigned, but the math works now for day 1.
Sure, the math works if you're ok with one of the team's promising young players not being signed.
You should know after 12 years since the cap was implemented, that these 1st day cap numbers will matter on LTIR occasions.
Teams will use these ELCs to fix the numbers on a best possible way. It's just the 1st day number and Rasmussen doesn't have to see the ice, but it does the number work.
https://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/7/3/5865615/flyers-salary-cap-pronger-ltir
Looks like we'll go with the option 2.
We were doing the 11th hour LTIR tango anyway. Rasmussen signing doesn't change that. His signing was just business as usual.
AA not being signed yet is a bit surprising for for me, though. I thought for sure once the Tatar situation was cleared up, AA would have been inked fairly quickly afterwards.
As a non-Wings fan I am curious about what you all think about the possibility of Zetterberg being traded to help solve your cap issues, get some futures for your rebuild, and make room for the younger guys. If he could possibly be available, what kind of assets you think the organization would be looking for in return?
Thanks for the help.
he won't be traded unless he asks for it. just to clear cap space, zero percent chance.
As a non-Wings fan I am curious about what you all think about the possibility of Zetterberg being traded to help solve your cap issues, get some futures for your rebuild, and make room for the younger guys. If he could possibly be available, what kind of assets you think the organization would be looking for in return?
Thanks for the help.
I didn't mean to imply that he'd be shopped as a cap dump, but more of a option if another team came inquiring whether or not he was available.
As a non-Wings fan I am curious about what you all think about the possibility of Zetterberg being traded to help solve your cap issues, get some futures for your rebuild, and make room for the younger guys. If he could possibly be available, what kind of assets you think the organization would be looking for in return?
Thanks for the help.