Post-Game Talk: Rebounding

[mcdingdong]

It's coming. One of our biggest issues is finish this season, we are generating a lot of looks (tops or amongst the tops in the entire league) and not giving up much for Grade As the other way (again, tops or amongst the tops in the entire league). Bad goaltending and bad finishing are both pretty variable as seasons progress, but I think for the most part the process (generating way more chances than our opponents) has been pretty sturdy this year. Eventually we will get some saves and the puck will start to go in for us and we will go on a couple of runs (I hope).

PS sure is quiet in here after a no stress win, no?

 

[OilerTitanFan]

That balloon was floated by our own broadcast crew a couple weeks ago. I would hope the disastrous seasons Ulmark and Swayman are having is proof to our management that you can’t pay goalies that much, especially mediocre or worse ones and that if Skinner thinks he should be making any more than he is now then it’s time to move on from him.

How about we just pick a goalie in the 7th round like the flames. Dustin Wolf is now the new kid on the block.

We've had late picks pan out but not with us.
Marino
Stolarz
Kesslering

How the hell we screw it all up?

What's sad is that fans and management keep rolling the dice. Fans coming up with names here trading this and that for rentals. I recalled the two 2nd round picks for AA, why on the earth did we do that? Could have landed a 2nd pair RHD with those assets easily. That was an impatient win now move. Now the team is even more desperate which will force Stan bowman to dump assets for a garbage rental like David savard or provorov.

Everyone’s worried about goaltending but our combined RW including Kapanen are minus players JSkinner RNH and Podkolzin have 5 goals total in 20 games. Team is averaging 2.75 gf. Need a lot more than another 4RW

Rnh is left, Hyman is right.

 

[McDNicks17]

How about we just pick a goalie in the 7th round like the flames. Dustin Wolf is now the new kid on the block.

We've had late picks pan out but not with us.
Marino
Stolarz
Kesslering

How the hell we screw it all up?

What's sad is that fans and management keep rolling the dice. Fans coming up with names here trading this and that for rentals. I recalled the two 2nd round picks for AA, why on the earth did we do that? Could have landed a 2nd pair RHD with those assets easily. That was an impatient win now move. Now the team is even more desperate which will force Stan bowman to dump assets for a garbage rental like David savard or provorov.

Stolarz was a 2nd rounder for the Flyers haha.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

Chillax bruh

Skinner did what he needed to do. He did not make 1 big stop until it was 4-1 (breakaway where the Sen tried going 5 hole). Then he did make another one afer that to keep it at 4-1.

That is his job

The only 2 big chances they had before? Let in goal 1 and other hit the post. Another wraparound he has no idea where the puck was and the Sens player shot it into his far pad. I was watching him closely. Some point shots he had no idea where the puck was.

This was a breeze for Skinner, but every game will not be like this.

If the Oilers are fine with having him for another run at this salary, that is their choice. I don't think we ever win a cup with him though. I would rather see another guy brought in and push Skinner. Both fight for #1 spot. They are not giving it to Pickard

Who is the other guy brought in then? Go look around the league and you tell me what we can get from the assets we have. Maybe we can unload mcdavid for shesterkin, fox and a first. That'll give us a true #1 goalie, a top D and fill out prospect pool.

Stolarz was a 2nd rounder for the Flyers haha.

Oops, my bad, I meant another goalie, forgot who it was.

 

[Senor Catface]

Who is the other guy brought in then? Go look around the league and you tell me what we can get from the assets we have. Maybe we can unload mcdavid for shesterkin, fox and a first. That'll give us a true #1 goalie, a top D and fill out prospect pool.


Oops, my bad, I meant another goalie, forgot who it was.

Nothing screams great trade like trading away the league's best player.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It's coming. One of our biggest issues is finish this season, we are generating a lot of looks (tops or amongst the tops in the entire league) and not giving up much for Grade As the other way (again, tops or amongst the tops in the entire league). Bad goaltending and bad finishing are both pretty variable as seasons progress, but I think for the most part the process (generating way more chances than our opponents) has been pretty sturdy this year. Eventually we will get some saves and the puck will start to go in for us and we will go on a couple of runs (I hope).

PS sure is quiet in here after a no stress win, no?

A few posters aren't posting in the thread that would typically be posting a lot after losses. Very enjoyable game, Weirdly predictable as Oilers always seem to rebound after worst games.

To an extent the goals are gonna come. But as I pointed out last night 10 starting forwards on this club have a collective 19 goals. Several of those players are pad stuffing, not getting much on shots etc. You go this long and its by now a confidence problem. So that we have even a guy that knows how to score in Skinner or Hyman having trouble this year. When guys do run cold everything just seems off. Skinner got a wide open shot from the slot in 3rd period with Sens not even defending and even though he had time he got nothing on the shot. Hyman would often last season make a couple moves in a goal sequence that isn't happening this year. So rather than a fake and a wrap its pad stuffing now. This happens to most players and its an unknown where it ends. Conversely when players get on a roll that can last a full season and playoffs like with Hyman last season. I even wonder sometimes if the absolute euphoria of a goal run like that, and a SC run and everything just is so much hangover this year.

 

[Drivesaitl]

That balloon was floated by our own broadcast crew a couple weeks ago. I would hope the disastrous seasons Ulmark and Swayman are having is proof to our management that you can’t pay goalies that much, especially mediocre or worse ones and that if Skinner thinks he should be making any more than he is now then it’s time to move on from him.

I guess. But some goalies are worth it. In the case of Sens I haven't watched a lot but last night their defending was non existent from the start. It was the same river hockey they tried to play in North division season and once again they got trounced doing it. I thought Ullmark was bad last night but the team in front of him sure were. Similarly in Boston how they play in a lot of games (not at all) would be hard for any premium goalie to be looking at. Stud goalies tend to gravitate to the way the team is going. If the team in front of them are looking like imposters they don't knock themselves out. Conversely if teams are on a run then the stud goalie will improve too. Of the two I think Swayman is better, and more the candidate for quicker rebound.

So something is happening. Or at least I think there's something happening.

The post-game interviews done by McDavid, Skinner and Knoblauch only took questions from Oilers TV hosts Paige Martin and Tony Brar.

That seems peculiar because after the Montreal loss they took questions normally from various journalists...

Nobody answers questions in Ottawa.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859039006434226659

 

[mcdingdong]

A few posters aren't posting in the thread that would typically be posting a lot after losses. Very enjoyable game, Weirdly predictable as Oilers always seem to rebound after worst games.

To an extent the goals are gonna come. But as I pointed out last night 10 starting forwards on this club have a collective 19 goals. Several of those players are pad stuffing, not getting much on shots etc. You go this long and its by now a confidence problem. So that we have even a guy that knows how to score in Skinner or Hyman having trouble this year. When guys do run cold everything just seems off. Skinner got a wide open shot from the slot in 3rd period with Sens not even defending and even though he had time he got nothing on the shot. Hyman would often last season make a couple moves in a goal sequence that isn't happening this year. So rather than a fake and a wrap its pad stuffing now. This happens to most players and its an unknown where it ends. Conversely when players get on a roll that can last a full season and playoffs like with Hyman last season. I even wonder sometimes if the absolute euphoria of a goal run like that, and a SC run and everything just is so much hangover this year.

I think we just have too much talent that is underperforming for it to be sustainable long term re: scoring. I do agree that we have many, many players gripping their sticks when we get chances - likely a combo of knowing they need to outscore our goaltending issues coupled with the fact they haven't seen many go in this year. When the dam breaks it's really gonna break! That's my optimistic view of it anyways.

 

[CupofOil]

Good win but it was a very McDrai win and the team needs more than McDrai to go anywhere, still not getting any contributions from others outside of the garbage time RNH goal.

 

[dssource]

Have we actually gone multiple games right now without allowing a PK goal?

I think it was 11 straight PKs without allowing a goal. Not sure how many games that goes back. They had a stat in the game yesterday when OTT when on their PP. Definitely looking up.

If the PP gets going and we get any contributions outside McDrai, look out.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Imagine that, the 2 players that take up 25% of the salary cap are a big reason we win.

DId you think of that on your own?

Who told you?

You keep mentioning this as if the two players aren't carrying the team inordinately, and unlike found anywhere else. For the record the salaries are 22.5% of the Salary Cap, and the pair have 23/55 team goals or 42% of the goals and are involved in a full 2/3 of the teams scoring so that these two are indelibly involved in more here than any two players in league are. Further, these two have been doing this for the last freaking decade. But anytime they're not doing that some fans quick to roll on them.

Its incredibly weak that 12 forwards that have seen ice time with the Oilers this season have a collective 19 goals. Thats pathetic scoring from every forward not named McD or Drai.

In anycase McDrai are serving up around twice what their contract is. The D are doing awesome. The rest of the forwards aren't earning shit, and its worth commenting on it as one of the things that has had this team struggling.

A decade ago the org endeavored to "not get it wrong this time" and to surround McDrai with talent commensurate to put them over the top. Does this production look like it?

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

Too bad Bouch threw the Toronto game. He will be an elite player if he can clean up the misplays and giveaways

A few posters aren't posting in the thread that would typically be posting a lot after losses. Very enjoyable game, Weirdly predictable as Oilers always seem to rebound after worst games.

To an extent the goals are gonna come. But as I pointed out last night 10 starting forwards on this club have a collective 19 goals. Several of those players are pad stuffing, not getting much on shots etc. You go this long and its by now a confidence problem. So that we have even a guy that knows how to score in Skinner or Hyman having trouble this year. When guys do run cold everything just seems off. Skinner got a wide open shot from the slot in 3rd period with Sens not even defending and even though he had time he got nothing on the shot. Hyman would often last season make a couple moves in a goal sequence that isn't happening this year. So rather than a fake and a wrap its pad stuffing now. This happens to most players and its an unknown where it ends. Conversely when players get on a roll that can last a full season and playoffs like with Hyman last season. I even wonder sometimes if the absolute euphoria of a goal run like that, and a SC run and everything just is so much hangover this year.

Always the same posters disappear when the oil win… that is what a troll is.

You are right this team is not a cup champion without contributions from more guys

 

[Drivesaitl]

There’s a difference between being a big reason a team wins and being the only reason a team wins.

Right now McDavid and Draisaitl combined have scored more goals than the rest of the forward group. The performance from the other 10 forwards on this roster hasn’t been remotely close to good enough so far this season. To a man they are all underperforming what we need from them.

Bang. I could've saved myself the effort replying.

Seems like always a reminder of this too is needed:

NHL Stats

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McD and Drai on their own 1,2 in league production the last decade and despite over 50 playes in the the league making more than Drai did towards end of current contract.

yeah, both worth their weight in Plutonium.

Some posters complaining that they should be magicians every night and carry team on their shoulders one season to the next for a decade. Its 2024. Help was supposed to be arriving by now. Better help than this.

 

[Canovin]

Something tells me RNH, Henrique, Brown, Hyman, Jeff Skinner etc are just saving it for the playoffs.

 

[Stoneman89]

I never interrupt somebody when they’re coming.

No worries, I think he was just breathing hard.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Something tells me RNH, Henrique, Brown, Hyman, Jeff Skinner etc are just saving it for the playoffs.

That's not... That's not what they should be doing. Ever.

 

[Stoneman89]

Solid game, but the Montreal game hurts even more now, knowing that if we would have played with a bit of effort and passion like this one, we would have beat that garbage outfit as well.

- liked Emberson's physical play and he certainly seems enthusiastic about playing that way. Much more effective when he's physical.

- man, we're going to need much more from J. Skinner and Arvidsson the rest of the way. Skinner can't put it in the ocean now, and Arvy is in his usual sick bay spot for a time, but before that, wasn't producing a drop either.

- Bouch got some nice points and an excellent goal, but wow, is he ever scary in his own end.

S. Skinner didn't f*** up. Hurray!

 

[brentashton]

Some of us are going to be upset when he gets a 5+ extension in the summer lol

He can get it somewhere else if that’s the case. He ain’t worth it.

 

[McFlash97]

Something tells me RNH, Henrique, Brown, Hyman, Jeff Skinner etc are just saving it for the playoffs.

Lol. Jeff Skinner ? RNH ? One doesn't even know playoffs exist and the other is the antithesis of a playoff player

 

[Duke74]

I guess that goes to show that Ottawa doesn't have the nightlife that Montreal offers.

 

[Spawn]

Bang. I could've saved myself the effort replying.

Seems like always a reminder of this too is needed:

NHL Stats

The official source for NHL Stats including skaters, goalies, teams stats and more.

www.nhl.com

McD and Drai on their own 1,2 in league production the last decade and despite over 50 playes in the the league making more than Drai did towards end of current contract.

yeah, both worth their weight in Plutonium.

Some posters complaining that they should be magicians every night and carry team on their shoulders one season to the next for a decade. Its 2024. Help was supposed to be arriving by now. Better help than this.

Yeah, we haven’t had run support this bad for Drai/McDavid since the darkest Chiarelli days. Yet some think this level of support is good enough from the rest of the forward group and every win/loss needs to hinge solely on McDavid/Draidaitl contributing 2-3 points a game each.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

I guess that goes to show that Ottawa doesn't have the nightlife that Montreal offers.

As long as they drove by the House of Commons and egged the shit out of it, I’m happy if that was the extent of their night in town.

 

[TB12]

I guess that goes to show that Ottawa doesn't have the nightlife that Montreal offers.

Byward Market is pretty nice in Ottawa, but doesn't hold a candle to Mtl. I know which night I would have gone out on that roadie, too, haha

 

[Duke74]

Byward Market is pretty nice in Ottawa, but doesn't hold a candle to Mtl. I know which night I would have gone out on that roadie, too, haha

Byward Market is nice for shopping and restaurants but not really a party area.