I think you are undervaluing Durzi defensive ability, but I agree about Anderson’s.
I do not want to pay Kings ransom (pun is intended) for strictly offensive defensemen with serious questions about his health.
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I think you are undervaluing Durzi defensive ability, but I agree about Anderson’s.
I do not want to pay Kings ransom (pun is intended) for strictly offensive defensemen with serious questions about his health.
I didnt say the Kings should pay the price for him. I just dont think Chychruns defensive play should be used against him especially if he was playing in the Kings system. I get both sides of the arguments on getting him or not getting him. Would love to get to watch him in a Kings uniform but if not the world still goes on.
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Think Florida will be the most intrested in Acquiring Chychrun at the deadline.
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Hi Kings fans,
Yotes fan I come in peace. Personally I don't really want to trade Chychrun but so much noise right now, and your prospect pool is so good, and so deep.
For me personally though, Arizona has a lot of draft picks and also a GM in Bill Armstrong who has history of drafting extremely well from his time in STL, so I would only make a trade based around a truly higher end player / prospect with has an equally high ceiling as Chychrun. Personally am not interested in a pile of stuff, if we can't get high end talent back, no worries and I'm happy to keep Chych. That is just me though, the AZ boards are mixed about this.
My question is, would you be ok with a deal mostly around Brandt Clarke + some small parts (going either direction depending on the parts) for Chych? Chych is 23, Clarke is 18, imo by the time Clarke becomes an impact player Kopi and Doughty will be that much older. Chych is already a borderline 1D who can actually play a 200 ft game and also has a great shot, led the league in goals a couple years ago on an absolutely sh*t team, not to mention his contract. Clarke is obviously a top, top prospect so understand that you would want to keep him (kind of like the way I want to keep Chychrun ha!)
If you say no (even f*** no) that's fine, I'm just honestly curious. Appreciate the insight thanks!
Yotes fan I come in peace. Personally I don't really want to trade Chychrun but so much noise right now, and your prospect pool is so good, and so deep.
For me personally though, Arizona has a lot of draft picks and also a GM in Bill Armstrong who has history of drafting extremely well from his time in STL, so I would only make a trade based around a truly higher end player / prospect with has an equally high ceiling as Chychrun. Personally am not interested in a pile of stuff, if we can't get high end talent back, no worries and I'm happy to keep Chych. That is just me though, the AZ boards are mixed about this.
My question is, would you be ok with a deal mostly around Brandt Clarke + some small parts (going either direction depending on the parts) for Chych? Chych is 23, Clarke is 18, imo by the time Clarke becomes an impact player Kopi and Doughty will be that much older. Chych is already a borderline 1D who can actually play a 200 ft game and also has a great shot, led the league in goals a couple years ago on an absolutely sh*t team, not to mention his contract. Clarke is obviously a top, top prospect so understand that you would want to keep him (kind of like the way I want to keep Chychrun ha!)
If you say no (even f*** no) that's fine, I'm just honestly curious. Appreciate the insight thanks!
It's my guess LAK wants to hold onto Clarke. The Yotes should try and get the best package available and I just don't think Clarke or Byfield would be part of it.
Chychrun is a really nice player on a nice contract. LA will probably offer a quantity of assets and it'll be interesting to see who steps up and offers the moon.
Chychrun is a really nice player on a nice contract. LA will probably offer a quantity of assets and it'll be interesting to see who steps up and offers the moon.
I would think most is on the table except Clarke and Byfield.
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For me, Clarke and Byfield are pretty close to untouchable. I would offer Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Sean Walker, and our first in 2022.
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First of all, thanks for stopping by. I am super sorry that your franchise is in the state it's in. Rivalry aside, you guys are an awesome fanbase that deserves better.
That being said, Clarke is off limits. I think he is going end up being better than Chycrun
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It does sound like AZ will shortly be in the situation we are in--with TONS of prospects as lottery tickets so you have the quantity, but want to hang on to the high-end blue chippers as quality. As others have mentioned we could expend just about anything but Byfield and Clarke (I'd personally expand that to Kaliyev and Turcotte as well), and I would expect AZ would want those pieces. I don't think we can afford to do it quite yet, no matter how perfect the fit of Chychrun, as it just opens up other holes imo.
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This is exactly it (well, it will be in a few months I think). So while a package like Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Sean Walker + a first might be a good package (personally think it comes in low, but these aren't bad players), it gives us quantity which we won't really need after our 8 picks in the first two rounds of this year's draft. Completely understand that you want to hold on to Clarke / Byfield, heck I would too.
Thanks for all your help guys, wish you all the best! If you ever want to come by our boards you're welcome to, we're mostly nice over there as well (at least most of us, most of the time). Thanks again!
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Its a lesson Blake has/will learn the hard way and the worst of it is the Kings on the cusp won't be worth more than a Hill-Of-Beans at the trade deadline or pre-draft,pre-season 2022
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No way Kings are trading that much to Arizona...Bjornfot,Walker,Kupari and a first rounder...maybe Walker if he's healed,Kupari if LA doesn't think he's the heir apparent to #23 on the 3rd line and another prospect...Moverare perhaps or Villalta and Madden
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I mean... as previously mentioned I wouldn't do that deal either (even if it were offered). No offense to the players involved, for me they're not enough to make up for the loss of a potential franchise 1D who is also young / was improving exponentially until this year (which I don't mind because our team is so bad, that's a different convo though).
There's a popular negotiations book called "Getting to Yes" by Robert Fisher and William Ury, one of my friends met Ury and thought he was the nicest / best person ever. Anyway one of the core ideas is that in the long term it's almost necessary to make "Win / win" types of deals where both sides in negotiations are actually happy with the trade. In their opinion, if you can't get to a situation like that one or both parties should just say, "No deal" and move on.
Personally WRT Chych I'm ok with that way of looking at things. "No deal" means you get to keep Clarke and Byfield and we get to keep Chychrun. Some other team might overpay for Chychrun and if so that's fine, if not we get to keep Chychrun which is also fine.
Anyway best of luck, love watching Kopi / Quick specifically and hope we all get a chance to see both of them in the playoffs relatively soon
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The one difference between those eight draft picks and the players being offered in that trade is those eight picks are just eight picks. They may (and several likely will) pan out but some won't. Bjornfot and Walker are guarantees already at the NHL level and Kupari is almost at the sink or swim moment in his career. Those eight picks are likely 2-4 years away from making the show, if they do.
Not saying I'd do the trade if I was Arizona either (frankly if I was Arizona I'd be hanging up the phone each time a team called asking about him to begin with) but the 'quantity' of draft picks and the 'quantity' of the players offered differs.
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Agreed. They may offer up a package surrounding Owen Tippett, Spencer Knight and a 1st.
They are in position to really make noise in the post season. Probably talking to Dallas as well about Klingberg.
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What you're saying re: draft picks and timelines is right, but you have to consider two things:
1) Unlike most teams AZ is really bad and has few top prospects, we need to draft / develop an entire core except for Chych, Keller, Crouse, Guenther. So, imo having good players in the system who will be in NHL ready in 2-4 years (rather than now) is actually better than someone currently NHL-ready -- let's say we call up Guenther, I'm actually concerned we'd mess up his development because the team is and will be so bad for years. So I'd rather good players later when the roster is filled with quality prospects (kind of like Anaheim is right now).
2) Our GM Bill Armstrong is really good at drafting -- prior to this, he ran the drafting in STL where he picked guys like Neighbors, Kostin, Perunovich, Kyrou, Robert Thomas, Tage Thompson, Fabbri, Barbashev all between #20 and #45 overall (Vince Dunn was #56). Very few misses in the late first / second round range, full list St. Louis Blues Draft History at hockeydb.com . His track record has continued for us as he's picked up guys like Moser and Vejmelka who have very much exceeded expectations.
That's the reason I really don't like trading Chychrun for quantity, we should have quantity and without Chych we wouldn't have a top pairing D.
Anyway thanks for all this, looks like we may not be the best dance partners, which is ok. Best of luck for the rest of the season!
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All trade speculation is specu.... well you get it.
But what I want to know is why would Arizona want more picks and prospects? They have 8 picks in the coming draft. They have 6 players under contract next season and they'll be playing at ASU for three years?
They need healthy active NHL players and the need to add around $25 to $30M to their salary just to reach the floor.
If I'm the Coyotes a guy with almost 200 NHL games under his belt making $1.133M while playing in the AHL this season is just as valuable as a prospect that may or may not be anything in the NHL in a few years.
It seems like that's not how the Coyotes are looking at things but given the state of their affairs why on earth would I think that how they view ANYTHING is the "correct" approach?
But what I want to know is why would Arizona want more picks and prospects? They have 8 picks in the coming draft. They have 6 players under contract next season and they'll be playing at ASU for three years?
They need healthy active NHL players and the need to add around $25 to $30M to their salary just to reach the floor.
If I'm the Coyotes a guy with almost 200 NHL games under his belt making $1.133M while playing in the AHL this season is just as valuable as a prospect that may or may not be anything in the NHL in a few years.
It seems like that's not how the Coyotes are looking at things but given the state of their affairs why on earth would I think that how they view ANYTHING is the "correct" approach?
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I just knew I’d cringe on several occasions while reading. He’s the nerd in school that so badly wants to be accepted by the cool kids.
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Yeah......Wirtz pushed me over the edge with his outburst. They have to earn me back. Do the right things to prove they're helping to change the culture problem within hockey. Maybe I'll go back 5 years from now.
Until then....Go Kings Go. I like hockey too much to quit entirely.
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What made you choose the Kings bud? Also thats pretty awesome, glad to have you! Welcome.
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