Re sign Suter?

[Fedz]

If you give money and term to Suter, who is going to be our 2C next season?

Re-signing Suter gives us Petey, Chytil and Suter down the middle; zero improvement over our current, healthy roster.

Given Chytil's injury woes there is an argument to be made that Suter fits this club better. If we want to be true contenders Chytil is a 3C at best right now. However, the term, injury risk and potential upside basically make moving Chytil and re-signing Suter nonsensical.

All of the words above to simply say, we need to invest the 4-5+ M he is going to get towards a legitimate, bonafide 2C so that Chytil can slide down the lineup.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

If you give money and term to Suter, who is going to be our 2C next season?

Re-signing Suter gives us Petey, Chytil and Suter down the middle; zero improvement over our current, healthy roster.

Given Chytil's injury woes there is an argument to be made that Suter fits this club better. If we want to be true contenders Chytil is a 3C at best right now. However, the term, injury risk and potential upside basically make moving Chytil and re-signing Suter nonsensical.

All of the words above to simply say, we need to invest the 4-5+ M he is going to get towards a legitimate, bonafide 2C so that Chytil can slide down the lineup.

Suter is. That's the idea if they bring him back

What they are sorely lacking is a center prospect that is ready to make the jump to a top 6 role. Raty is close but really lacks the footspeed to be more than a third line center.

 

[VanJack]

The Canucks gained outstanding value on Suter's contract for the last two seasons. A contract of $1.5m was an absolute bargain for the player who brings what Suter did in Vancouver.

But now the shoe is on the other foot. Suter is going to have to get paid. You'd like to think that one of the rewards for Suter playing on a 'team-friendly contract' for two seasons, would be the team willing to 'overpay' to bring him back.

But that's probably not the way the business works, sadly. So it's likely he's moving on.

 

[me2]

Chytil needs to go to the wing. The team can't afford the risk of such a fragile player at centre. Depth at centre matters too much.

 

[Peen]

I think you have to be really careful with this one. This team has a worse season and a worse long term outlook if Zadorov accepted that offer last season. Same for Lindholm.

It’s gotten to that Zadorov point now where this doesn’t make sense.

Too expensive of a contract for a 7th forward. He’s good as a utility knife and on the PK, but he can’t score and defend simultaneously at a top six level. You saw the inability to finish and score in the playoffs last season, even if he was responsible. Now you see him produce but that line got killed on the road trip defensively.

So then it’s just going to be really expensive idk

 

[F A N]

I think you have to be really careful with this one. This team has a worse season and a worse long term outlook if Zadorov accepted that offer last season. Same for Lindholm.

It’s gotten to that Zadorov point now where this doesn’t make sense.

Too expensive of a contract for a 7th forward. He’s good as a utility knife and on the PK, but he can’t score and defend simultaneously at a top six level. You saw the inability to finish and score in the playoffs last season, even if he was responsible. Now you see him produce but that line got killed on the road trip defensively.

So then it’s just going to be really expensive idk

Ya I agree we have to be careful with this one. I wouldn't say this team would have a worse long term outlook if Zadorov accepted what we offered. Had Zadorov signed we likely wouldn't have traded for M-Petey. Now M-Petey is a superior defenseman for sure but he also came at the cost of the Rangers' first round pick. Right now, the Penguins might very well get the 13th overall pick.

 

[Fedz]

Suter is. That's the idea if they bring him back

What they are sorely lacking is a center prospect that is ready to make the jump to a top 6 role. Raty is close but really lacks the footspeed to be more than a third line center.

You're telling me that you're OK with Pettersson-Suter-Chytil as our 1-2-3 down the middle? The management group has been outspoken about adding a legitimate C. Just can't see them re-signing Suter at market value when they're clearly looking for a 'big fish.'

 

[theguardianII]

You're telling me that you're OK with Pettersson-Suter-Chytil as our 1-2-3 down the middle? The management group has been outspoken about adding a legitimate C. Just can't see them re-signing Suter at market value when they're clearly looking for a 'big fish.'

There aren't many options.

The cap increase limits available trade prospects. Most teams will be able to keep their best prospects now.

The line up kinda show a reason of draft a couple of star centers not trade away possible future stars. The team needs drafted star players, Lekkimaki might be a tier two or three star, Willander who the F knows, he has never scored 8 goals in a season in his career, ever and never played a pro game.

That's it, that's the Canuck future.

Yes re-sign Suter, he will get more points than EP40 at EP40's scoring rate if he gets the same 75% of the PP time.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

You're telling me that you're OK with Pettersson-Suter-Chytil as our 1-2-3 down the middle? The management group has been outspoken about adding a legitimate C. Just can't see them re-signing Suter at market value when they're clearly looking for a 'big fish.'

I'm not okay with that at all, I'm thinking that might be their game plan.

Would love to see us swing for the fences with Marner, while we still have Hughes here. The dude is a proven 90-100 point center every single year, despite his playoff performances. We have the cap space.

 

[timw33]

I'm not okay with that at all, I'm thinking that might be their game plan.

Would love to see us swing for the fences with Marner, while we still have Hughes here. The dude is a proven 90-100 point center every single year, despite his playoff performances. We have the cap space.

One small problem: Mitch Marner is not a centre.

 

[Kickassguy]

The only way to sensibly fit Suter into this lineup would be to move Chytil out of it. They're relatively redundant players, even though Suter brings more to the table overall.

Unfortunately that's very unlikely to happen at this point.

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

Signing Suter seems like a no-brainer. This year he has hit his natural peak at age 28, in a contract year, with significant injuries & off-ice drama. Given the UFA class this summer, the idea that he will be vastly overpriced is likely a non-starter, and I don't see him making Zadorov-like demands or walking if the club can't meet them. I'm betting management can bring him back for a reasonable rate and term.

Maybe you drop him and Boeser *if* Ehlers or Marner is interested in signing here. Otherwise, there aren't really any names coming available this summer that will move the needle or be serious upgrades on either player. So far, none of Allvin's forward UFA signings have been 30+ guys past their prime, so there's little chance he'll be angling for a Duchene or Tavares. The team is likely going to bring back both Suter and Boeser on team-friendly deals because most of the other UFAs available would be lateral moves, at best. Given that the price tag for someone like Bennet or Donato would likely be much higher than Suter, if they went that route we'd likely lose Boeser and have to hope that Lekk is ready to step into a top line role alongside EP40, because there are no wingers out there.

 

[F A N]

Signing Suter seems like a no-brainer. This year he has hit his natural peak at age 28, in a contract year, with significant injuries & off-ice drama. Given the UFA class this summer, the idea that he will be vastly overpriced is likely a non-starter, and I don't see him making Zadorov-like demands or walking if the club can't meet them. I'm betting management can bring him back for a reasonable rate and term.

Maybe you drop him and Boeser *if* Ehlers or Marner is interested in signing here. Otherwise, there aren't really any names coming available this summer that will move the needle or be serious upgrades on either player. So far, none of Allvin's forward UFA signings have been 30+ guys past their prime, so there's little chance he'll be angling for a Duchene or Tavares. The team is likely going to bring back both Suter and Boeser on team-friendly deals because most of the other UFAs available would be lateral moves, at best. Given that the price tag for someone like Bennet or Donato would likely be much higher than Suter, if they went that route we'd likely lose Boeser and have to hope that Lekk is ready to step into a top line role alongside EP40, because there are no wingers out there.

Good points. I think the age thing is kind of arbitrary. I mean what's the difference between signing a soon to be 30 year old to a 7 year deal (e.g. Lindholm) and a Tavares/Duchene type to a shorter term deal at a lower AAV if we can (aside from getting value out of a player's prime years)? Like a lot of us here would find the acquisition of Ryan O'Reilly to be acceptable to desired if we're not giving up Lekkerimaki or one of our highly regarded top prospect on D.

 

[kcunac]

I tend to think if we trade for a better centre we may need to give one up in the deal (plus picks and prospects), like the Miller deal.

Suter could be that guy, especially if Chytil is injured.

 

[Lackhalak]

You're telling me that you're OK with Pettersson-Suter-Chytil as our 1-2-3 down the middle? The management group has been outspoken about adding a legitimate C. Just can't see them re-signing Suter at market value when they're clearly looking for a 'big fish.'

Chytil should be LTIR. Give that cap space to Suter. Pettersson-_______-Suter-Blueger-Raty-Aman is decent depth. I would gamble on a player like Krebs, if a big fish doesn't materialize (ie Barzal/ Horvat)

 

[arttk]

Chytil should be LTIR. Give that cap space to Suter. Pettersson-_______-Suter-Blueger-Raty-Aman is decent depth. I would gamble on a player like Krebs, if a big fish doesn't materialize (ie Barzal/ Horvat)

we should not be operating in LTIR, that would prevent us from trading for anyone at TDL

 

[Lackhalak]

we should not be operating in LTIR, that would prevent us from trading for anyone at TDL

Maybe move his salary out in a bigger deal, I think he is done.

 

[arttk]

Also odds of him being healthy before the buyout period seems low

 

[Zippgunn]

The Canucks gained outstanding value on Suter's contract for the last two seasons. A contract of $1.5m was an absolute bargain for the player who brings what Suter did in Vancouver.

But now the shoe is on the other foot. Suter is going to have to get paid. You'd like to think that one of the rewards for Suter playing on a 'team-friendly contract' for two seasons, would be the team willing to 'overpay' to bring him back.

But that's probably not the way the business works, sadly. So it's likely he's moving on.

Didn't they do exactly that with Alex Burrows?

 

[sting101]

i would look at moving out Chytil to a team like SJ or CHI to get them a C with trade potential as his contract comes up and can help insulate some of the kids in the meantime.

If you can get back one of their extra top100 picks and relay that into McCann or Krebs that would be a good move to give us someone who is more reliable going forward.

I would also like to upgrade Suter and am leery of the spike year but a 3-4 yr deal at the right money for a 7th forward it's a no brainer as long as he doesn't get much if any trade protection. Of course if we can get Matt Duchene and still sign Boeser/Ehlers i would do that over signing Suter