Victor made it very clear that if he didn't make the NHL from the get-go, he wanted to play for Brynäs. That's what he had said from day 1.I’m sure he played well. I never claimed he isn’t good or didn’t play well, like the guy above tried to assert.
Most 11th overall picks do not come in with a chance to make the team, and if they are an AHL-eligible player who ends up being very close to making the team, I suspect they’d be playing in the AHL.
If he was actually close to making the team and was the next player in on defense, you start him in the AHL and he’ll be called up within a month when the team inevitably needs a defensemen. He’d probably see a lot of games, as well, for the NHL team.
If what you are weighing with where you play him this season is where the kid feels comfortable, it’s probably not mainly a sporting decision and he probably didn’t have a real chance to make the team. I’ve not heard of very many situations where an NHL team is asking a player who they expect to play for them during a season if that player wants to play for them or if they’d feel more comfortable playing in Europe. Usually the team would make a unilateral decision there. That’s if the player was within the circle of players the team plans to use during the course of a season. As I said, I don’t think he had much of a chance to play for the NHL team this season.
Victor made it very clear that if he didn't make the NHL from the get-go, he wanted to play for Brynäs. That's what he had said from day 1.
First goal after returning to SHL
Don't really watch Brynäs, but he's playing on the top pairing.Anyone watching the games that can tell us how he is playing and what pairing he is on?
Didn’t make the World Junior team. Do Arizona fans still think parading him around the first two months instead of letting him play all season with Brynas was worth it?
He wanted to make the team. He was given a chance to make the team. He came close but was ultimately told he was gonna start the year in the AHL. He opted to go back to Sweden instead to be closer to the national team. I have no idea where you are getting your parade part from.Didn’t make the World Junior team. Do Arizona fans still think parading him around the first two months instead of letting him play all season with Brynas was worth it?
I have no idea where you are getting your parade part from.
I don't understand your post. The reason he didn't make the team isn't his play nor attitude. Sweden's coach is really bad. That's why. Or do you honestly believe Ginning, & Norlinder(I'd throw in Broberg, Lundkvist, & Björnfot too) are better than him?Didn’t make the World Junior team. Do Arizona fans still think parading him around the first two months instead of letting him play all season with Brynas was worth it?
I'm not going to pretend I keep up with the goings of Swedish hockey, but when there's an almost unanimous agreement that Söderström should be on the world junior team it leads me to believe the Coyotes keeping him around a bit longer than expected didn't have a huge impact on the outcome.
By all accounts he's having a very successful season, so I'm not going to worry too much about him missing the tournament.
He wanted to make the team. He was given a chance to make the team. He came close but was ultimately told he was gonna start the year in the AHL. He opted to go back to Sweden instead to be closer to the national team. I have no idea where you are getting your parade part from.
It's not like his play in the SHL is suffering because of the missed games at the start of the season either.
This is just Montén being Montén. And has nothing to do with either Söderström or the Coyotes.
He believes Soderstrom wasn't good enough to stay with the team until the last moment aka he didn't watch a single minute of his play in the prospect games or preseason but nevertheless felt qualified to comment.
I don't understand your post. The reason he didn't make the team isn't his play nor attitude. Sweden's coach is really bad. That's why. Or do you honestly believe Ginning, & Norlinder(I'd throw in Broberg, Lundkvist, & Björnfot too) are better than him?
Soderstrom had no chance to make the Coyotes out of preseason.
In other words, you can't defend your management, so you try to discredit the source of the criticism.
How is it going with Hayton playing 13th forward for the Coyotes? Do you still support that decision from Chayka? I'm sure there's a great explanation for that, as well.
Everyone that watched the player understood why he was the last cut in camp. You did not watch the player. You have an intense, irrational dislike of Chayka. You are not arguing in good faith, so there's nothing to 'discredit'. You keep insisting Soderstrom had no chance when a.) the Coyotes put Chychrun into the lineup straight out of the draft and he was great and b.) it has been explained to you multiple times that the player is allowed to choose the path they feel best, so Arizona was happy to send him back to Sweden, because that's what Soderstrom felt was best for him this year.
Hayton has been great, by the way. Thanks for asking.
I don't know why obvious trolls are allowed to **** up prospect threads but here we are
I didn't watch him in preseason, nor do I need to watch an irrelevant prospect tournament or preseason games to have an opinion on whether a player has a chance to make an NHL team.
Arizona didn't have a place open for Soderstrom.
And while Chychrun was ready physically, was he ready in other aspects of the game? An argument could be made he'd be better had he not started in the NHL.
If Arizona fans believed Soderstrom had a real chance to make the team, why didn't they mention so beforehand? Why was it only after the fact?
Besides, is Soderstrom not making the World Junior team not relevant? Why is this discussion off limits and in need of a moderator to come save you? The player didn't make the World Junior team, anyone who isn't a blatant homer should be able to admit that his start to the season might've played a role.
This is all correct.Oh okay. You don't need to be familiar with the player to run your mouth about his play. Gotcha. All positive reviews are tire pumping, only you have the true take.
They absolutely did and Hjalmarsson going down 4 games into the season would have opened up yet another spot. So I guess now you don't have to watch the player AND you don't need any actual knowledge of the organization he is in to comment.
Chychrun is now the de facto #1 due to him outplaying OEL. He's 21. It's hard to imagine it going any better. After his first healthy offseason, he looks amazing. Another strike against your concern trolling.
Because it's not reasonable to expect someone to step into the lineup right after the draft but it can happen. It happened with Chychrun. He forced his way onto the team with his play. Soderstrom was lights out. We're thrilled with the pick. You can personally go through the prospect and preseason game threads on the Coyotes forum to see just how much Soderstrom popped and how people quickly realized he was much further along than advertised.
It's been explained by pretty much everyone that's familiar with the player and his role in the national team that the coach has a shameless grudge against him. It's certainly not due to his SHL play. As if we're supposed to be pissed that Soderstrom is a top pairing guy at 18 in a men's league. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
Most Arizona fans don't care what the main board thinks of our prospects, and for good reason. I imagine it's a similar story for all the other teams you've unfortunately commented on. You're not fooling anyone and don't have any actual substance to your arguments. It's just "Chayka BAD" over and over again. It doesn't stand up to even a cursory understanding of how things actually played out.
They absolutely did and Hjalmarsson going down 4 games into the season would have opened up yet another spot. So I guess now you don't have to watch the player AND you don't need any actual knowledge of the organization he is in to comment.
Oh okay. You don't need to be familiar with the player to run your mouth about his play. Gotcha. All positive reviews are tire pumping, only you have the true take.
They absolutely did and Hjalmarsson going down 4 games into the season would have opened up yet another spot. So I guess now you don't have to watch the player AND you don't need any actual knowledge of the organization he is in to comment.
Chychrun is now the de facto #1 due to him outplaying OEL. He's 21. It's hard to imagine it going any better. After his first healthy offseason, he looks amazing. Another strike against your concern trolling.
Great, but what does that have to do with Soderstrom having a chance to make the NHL this season? You've yet to explain. I explained why comparing Soderstrom and Chychrun was not a good idea.
Because it's not reasonable to expect someone to step into the lineup right after the draft but it can happen. It happened with Chychrun. He forced his way onto the team with his play. Soderstrom was lights out. We're thrilled with the pick. You can personally go through the prospect and preseason game threads on the Coyotes forum to see just how much Soderstrom popped and how people quickly realized he was much further along than advertised.
This makes a lot of sense. In other words, its not worth discussing because you agree that it's a ridiculous suggestion, but once your team might come in for some scrutiny for how the player was handled, then you gotta change direction and in hindsight act like the player had a great chance to make the team. I think it's often a good barometer to look at what people thought beforehand and not after the fact when they have an incentive to try to obfuscate the truth.
QUOTE="XX, post: 167506691, member: 6285"]It's been explained by pretty much everyone that's familiar with the player and his role in the national team that the coach has a shameless grudge against him. It's certainly not due to his SHL play. As if we're supposed to be pissed that Soderstrom is a top pairing guy at 18 in a men's league. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
Most Arizona fans don't care what the main board thinks of our prospects, and for good reason. I imagine it's a similar story for all the other teams you've unfortunately commented on. You're not fooling anyone and don't have any actual substance to your arguments. It's just "Chayka BAD" over and over again. It doesn't stand up to even a cursory understanding of how things actually played out.
Um, what? OEL and Chychrun play the left side. Goligoski is a natural LD but plays both sides. Demers is a RD.There's not a chance in hell they'd either play Soderstrom on his offside as an 18 year old and sit Oesterle or sit Demers/Goligoski for Soderstrom. He's not ready. He could be a great player, but he's not ready. Playing him could have resulted in huge issues. I am very against the vast majority of players, playing in the NHL at that young of an age with that type of body type. He needs to mature. That's how potential gets destroyed. And for the record it's not a size thing, it's a bone density thing based on his growth charts. I am also against Dach being up, but that's a different story.
Also, I don't know if the door is closed on him yet for the WJC. Lots of time, and I hate to say it, because I don't want to jinx it for any player, but there's a lot of time from now until when rosters have to be finalized, and injuries do happen.
Um, what? OEL and Chychrun play the left side. Goligoski is a natural LD but plays both sides. Demers is a RD.
OEL and Demers is a pair. Chychrun and Goligoski is a pair.
As for Hjalmarsson, he may be a left shot but he plays exclusively on the Right side. Always.
Oesterle plays both sides but is a natural LD. Lyubushkin plays RD but has struggled mightily. I have no doubt they Soderstrom would be an upgrade on Lyubushkin at the very least. Possibly Oesterle too. Likely even.
We could easily run Hjalmarsson, Demers and Soderstrom on the right side with OEL, Chychrun and Goligoski on the left. Oesterle as 7th D and Lyubushkin in Tucson.
Given that Hjalmarsson has been injured all season, and Goligoski has been filling in for him on the right side (Last season OEL was with Demers and Chychrun with Hjalmarsson on his right), there’s obviously more than enough room for Soderstrom.
I don’t think you had a very good idea of the composition of the Coyotes D with or without Hjalmarsson before you made your comment
Either that, or you didn’t know that Soderstrom was RD.