RD Logan Mailloux (2021, 31st, MTL)

[Hollel]

I think he'll probably still be drafted. If teams actually cared about players sharing photos of women they slept with their rosters would shrink by half.

Key difference between sharing consensual photos/online profile vs non consensual photos. It really is not that difficult to grasp. And if that is still true, then great, shrink the rosters, f*** those guys.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Perhaps but do they care about social media outrage? Gonna take a GM who feels secure enough to deal with that fallout and with a plan to get out in front of it.

He'll definitely get passed over by many teams due to appearances. Arizona, Chicago and Toronto reportedly have him on a DND list says it all. Someone will take a flyer on him I imagine though.

 

[bigdog16]

The kid messed up but he shouldnt be crucified for it like many are suggesting. Theres guys in the league who have done way worse. Look at a guy like Nick Cousins. People dont seem to care about his incident when going from team to team

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He's getting drafted 100%. Sports media in large US markets can barely keep from yawning when talking about day 2 of the MLB draft, you think there's going to be some huge outcry about the Kings, Flyers or Stars 5th round pick?

No excuses for what he did, but when non hockey sports media hear about this story involving an athlete and a woman they're going to say: Wait he didn't rape her? He didn't assault her? Wake me up if he ever actually makes the team. Unfortunately that's still the world we live in. Markets with multiple pro teams have enough shit to cover without talking about an 18 year old late round draft pick. And no this is nothing like the Miller story, that kid made the mistake of being unusually and uniquely douchebagy. This kid is just a regular asshole. Whoever drafts him will say all the right things, just like the kid is, and the story (if it's one at all) will blow over very very quickly.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

What?

Look––I don't like the way the world is going with some recent trends either with regards to how everything is dragged out in public, but this should absolutely NOT be a non-issue!

Like I said in another thread: When you have sex, you don't automatically consent to having your picture taken and spread for all to see you in the nude in a sexual position. f*** that.
If he makes amends and takes his punishment, that's another issue, and it then becomes a matter of second chances, but it's absolutely not nothing and he has to atone.

*EDIT*: Seems like it was settled through payment.

I was not aware that he showed explicit photos. I was responding to a comment which said that he showed his friends the women's instagram - to show who he had sex with. That part was a non-issue in my opinion. What you are saying is definitely an issue. Showing isn't spreading it (texting it) though so it's not a huge issue.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Girls have committed suicide over things that happen after photos like this get out.
Yeah, it's a big deal

Keep it in your personal spank bank if you're gonna be a skeezy dude

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

The kid messed up but he shouldnt be crucified for it like many are suggesting. Theres guys in the league who have done way worse. Look at a guy like Nick Cousins. People dont seem to care about his incident when going from team to team

My favorite part of the Bible is when Jesus walked a half a mile through Jerusalem and wasn't selected in the NHL draft.

No one is being crucified here. A young person acted very recklessly (and potentially criminally) and those actions may have adverse consequences on his career.

The NHL is a tough league to crack into. If you're not big enough, you might not make it. If you can't process the pace of play quickly enough, you might not make it. If you share non-consensual photographs of a young woman with strangers, you might not make it.

I hope the victim in this situation gets any help she needs and I hope this young man recognizes how wrong this is and grows from it. I'm really not here to say whether or not he should be drafted, but I can certainly understand why fans and GMs would feel very strongly that someone like this shouldn't be on their team.

 

[Hanji]

These kids need to learn they're not ordinary idiot 16 year olds. They've been given a gift that others would kill for. They are (and should be) held to a different standard.

Is it fair? Who gives a shit. Nobody's putting a gun to their heads forcing them to be public figures. Hockey is entertainment. The entertainment business is absolutely ruthless. Always has been. They chose this line of work. Be willing to accept the consequences with the glory, or go find a different career path.

Sadly, most of these kids live in a privileged hockey bubble and are probably unworldly as hell. That's a poor mixture combined with today's non-tolerance for certain 'boys will be boys' shenanigans.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I find it pathetic how people seriously act like this guy committed some grave sin. They are liars. They know plenty of people who did similar things at his age, and they might've done similar. They did the same thing last year in ruining Miller's life. If they get their way, they'll do the same to this kid.

You mean the kid that is Miller who tormented a black kid with racial slurs and harassment as well as assault? Then when he was charged, he continued to do it after the fact because so many blokes here like to believe so many people can change, but he didn't. So it'd be ok that a racist garbage like Miller be allowed to have an NHL career after not fully disclosing his incident and then blatantly lying about it by continuing to harass and torment a person of color that is also special needs. I like how your fellow liked minded people that want to give a racist piece of crap like Miller, sympathy just outed themselves.

He likely made a mistake.

Mistake 1. He took a photo/video without consent.
Mistake 2. He then shared the private video that the woman didn't consent to in the first place.
Mistake 3. He then found her information on social media, not even just small things, her name, her life, everything. Why would someone do that? To ridicule.

So you want us to feel bad for him because...

He may be a dumb jock.

Ah yeah, from a culture of sports where rapes and assaults happen and cops and communities help hide them because their local football team pumps so much money into the town or city, whether US or Canada with Hockey, the usual "boys will be boys" mentality where we excuse horrendous behavior because...

"He may be a dumb jock."

That stereotype is for movies.

Maybe he's an asshole.

Yeah he is.

This idea of a Do Not Draft list allows certain people to feel extra powerful. If he goes into an interview and starts saying he'll cause problems in the team, thats a reason to not draft him. To not draft someone because they did some dumb shit as a teenager is utterly appalling.

But let's make no mistake. This kid will likely be the next victim. The only way they will stop doing this is if people with some courage stand up and call them out for being the phonies that they are.

Teams need to be more aware of the people they draft. These are people that represent the team and are in a position where kids look up to them. WHy does that last part matter? Because these young players play because they looked up to someone that made them want to play and be in the NHL some day. It's funny how suddenly the team he's on in Ontario did all of this crap to make him seem like a great kid, when months go he did something where he violated someone's trust and then tried to ruin their reputation and somehow, he's a victim.

He's not a victim. The fact you make him one, is abhorrent.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

These kids need to learn they're not ordinary idiot 16 year olds. They've been given a gift that others would kill for. They are (and should be) held to a different standard.

Is it fair? Who gives a shit. Nobody's putting a gun to their heads forcing them to be public figures. Hockey is entertainment. The entertainment business is absolutely ruthless. Always has been. They chose this line of work. Be willing to accept the consequences with the glory, or go find a different career path.

Sadly, most of these kids live in a privileged hockey bubble and are probably unworldly as hell. That's a poor mixture combined with today's non-tolerance for certain 'boys will be boys' shenanigans.

That's the thing, these kids are wanting to be in pro sports at a time where all of this sort of stuff has happened in some way or form and they should know better because of it and be more cautious given social media and everything else can be someone's downfall, cancel culture that sometimes works for the right reasons but also bad, but to share something private and then also seek out someone's private info and then share that to destroy them and let's make no mistake, that's what he was doing and the people he was showing - One of them had the guts to report him on it.

Pro Sports means you're in the lime light.
These young athletes looked up to pro athletes that also have to conduct themselves the same way.
It's been this way forever and more so with so much access to athletes via social media etc.

If he didn't want trouble like this, here's a novel idea.


Maybe don't be a piece of human garbage and destroy someone's ability to trust another person and then worry about their personal information shared with an intimate moment they didn't know was being recorded.

 

[bigdog16]

My favorite part of the Bible is when Jesus walked a half a mile through Jerusalem and wasn't selected in the NHL draft.

No one is being crucified here. A young person acted very recklessly (and potentially criminally) and those actions may have adverse consequences on his career.

The NHL is a tough league to crack into. If you're not big enough, you might not make it. If you can't process the pace of play quickly enough, you might not make it. If you share non-consensual photographs of a young woman with strangers, you might not make it.

I hope the victim in this situation gets any help she needs and I hope this young man recognizes how wrong this is and grows from it. I'm really not here to say whether or not he should be drafted, but I can certainly understand why fans and GMs would feel very strongly that someone like this shouldn't be on their team.

I too wish the victim gets the necessary help she needs. But my point still stands - there are plenty of guys in the league now who are regulars, who have done much worse than this kid

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I too wish the victim gets the necessary help she needs. But my point still stands - there are plenty of guys in the league now who are regulars, who have done much worse than this kid

But this isn't about the others. It's about him and what he did and if you want to keep making it a comparison of "well others did worse!", you likely will never understand why that is wrong and that's pretty sad actually.

 

[bigdog16]

But this isn't about the others. It's about him and what he did and if you want to keep making it a comparison of "well others did worse!", you likely will never understand why that is wrong and that's pretty sad actually.

Pretty sad that other players in the league have publicly done worse and not faced any criticism? How is that wrong on my part? I know what the kid did was wrong. If you think his career should be destroyed because of this then I disagree. This is far from a Mitch Miller situation

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Pretty sad that other players in the league have publicly done worse and not faced any criticism? How is that wrong on my part? I know what the kid did was wrong. If you think his career should be destroyed because of this then I disagree. This is far from a Mitch Miller situation

You mean like Leipsic, Peters, Babcock, and Voynov?

He tried to destroy that woman's life. Likely has destroyed her life because that betrayal will make her second guess any relationship she'll be in the rest of the way. But yeah sure, he doesn't deserve that because he's a dude bro you want to see a redemption arc for.

 

[theVladiator]

I too wish the victim gets the necessary help she needs. But my point still stands - there are plenty of guys in the league now who are regulars, who have done much worse than this kid

Would you prefer that they get thrown out 10 years after the fact? This kind of situation is inevitable when the standards are raised, but I think we are not obligated to repeat mistakes made in the past just to be consistent. So, from my point of view, those old cases aren't extremely relevant.

One aspect of revisiting the past may make sense here though. If those other guys weren't given a pass back then, maybe Mailloux doesn't do what he did. How about that?

 

[bigdog16]

You mean like Leipsic, Peters, Babcock, and Voynov?

He tried to destroy that woman's life. Likely has destroyed her life because that betrayal will make her second guess any relationship she'll be in the rest of the way. But yeah sure, he doesn't deserve that because he's a dude bro you want to see a redemption arc for.

There is plenty more than Leipsic Peters Babcock and Voynov....bro. If you think he was sending that out strictly to “destroy that girls life” then your an idiot. He was trying to gloat, cmon.

Would you prefer that they get thrown out 10 years after the fact? This kind of situation is inevitable when the standards are raised, but I think we are not obligated to repeat mistakes made in the past just to be consistent. So, from my point of view, those old cases aren't extremely relevant.

One aspect of revisiting the past may make sense here though. If those other guys weren't given a pass back then, maybe Mailloux doesn't do what he did. How about that?

This is fair and I agree with this. Im sure if a statement was made here and the kid somehow went undrafted over this situation then I bet it would be addressed in every junior hockey locker room next year. Unfortunately he will still get drafted in the first round

 

[jfrank21]

You mean like Leipsic, Peters, Babcock, and Voynov?

He tried to destroy that woman's life. Likely has destroyed her life because that betrayal will make her second guess any relationship she'll be in the rest of the way. But yeah sure, he doesn't deserve that because he's a dude bro you want to see a redemption arc for.

Are you really that dense? Tried to destroy her life? No, he was being an idiot kid and bragging about his sexual conquest. Something men have been doing since the beginning of time. Only now, we have the technology to take our bragging to the next level. He did something incredibly stupid, but not for malicious purposes, he most likely did not even take the time to consider how it would affect her. Hes a dumb teen. He was probably trying to fit in with his new teammates and thought bragging about hooking up with a hot girl would help. But his pic was of her hair and shoulders, so naturally his teammates probably pressed him for more, so he linked her facebook to prove how hot she was. But then it was too much, so he got turned in. Tell me that you cant possibly conceive things going down this way.

 

[teravaineSAROS]

Showing isn't spreading it (texting it) though so it's not a huge issue.

Taking a photo of someone naked without consent and showing it to others is definitely a big issue. The problem is that our "boys will be boys" culture has been around for so long that it's considered normal.

 

[Peasy]

Props to whoever spoke up about the incident to the team.

 

[Genu]

What he did was horrible. The girl could have serious problems because of his actions. But i hope he can grow from this. Sadly i feel this is common issue with young athletes.

Who cares if he's not drafted? He can still reach NHL, especially if he makes visible effort to own up his mistake. Idea that this has ruined his life is ridiculous, and if it does, there is only one person to blame.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

I find it pathetic how people seriously act like this guy committed some grave sin. They are liars. They know plenty of people who did similar things at his age, and they might've done similar. They did the same thing last year in ruining Miller's life. If they get their way, they'll do the same to this kid.

He likely made a mistake. He may be a dumb jock. Maybe he's an asshole. This idea of a Do Not Draft list allows certain people to feel extra powerful. If he goes into an interview and starts saying he'll cause problems in the team, thats a reason to not draft him. To not draft someone because they did some dumb shit as a teenager is utterly appalling.

But let's make no mistake. This kid will likely be the next victim. The only way they will stop doing this is if people with some courage stand up and call them out for being the phonies that they are.

Uhhh?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Uhhh?

Yeah never once have I taken an unsolicited image of a woman I've been intimate with and then share the image or video with friends and also look her up online to destroy her reputation. Seems like a super trashy thing to do and the whole dude bro culture loves that type of crap and applaud the creepy sites like Chive etc.

If anyone has seriously done that, I hope they fail at everything in life and generally go piss off.

 

[405Entrance]

I don’t know why bozos keep blaming cancel culture. People had nothing to do with him being dropped or being put on DND lists. Seems like people think they can get away with anything and throw tantrums when they get the repercussions of their actions. I said this with the cornball Mitchell Miller and I’ll say it again. Making the nhl IS A PRIVILEGE NOT A BIRTH RIGHT

 

[Apfel Struble]

He committed a crime in another country for which he should have done Juvie had he been Swedish. He dodged the punishment because he was an international minor and thus protected and went public with the facts knowing it would blow up on him prior to the draft

If he claims to have learned and is repentant, he should voluntarily take a punishment similar to what he would have gotten in Sweden and then hope teams draft him in the following years. Acts are louder than words. He committed a crime a dodged the law

How would it look if the son of Saudi ambassador did the same in Canada? People that defend him now would be pretty hell bent he gets some punishment

 

[MichaelFarrell]

There is pretty much no doubt in my eyes that he will go I drafted. Regardless of what you think about the situation, it’s not worth the PR. If you plan on being drafted to the NHL, you just can’t do shady stuff.