lawrence
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Last years u18 version of him reminded me of petriangelo. He was d-1 and he was their best player. This u18 wasn’t as good.Could Verhoff have a Peitrangelo ceiling?
Last years u18 version of him reminded me of petriangelo. He was d-1 and he was their best player. This u18 wasn’t as good.Could Verhoff have a Peitrangelo ceiling?
“Special” Ed had the attributes you mention, but he was a seriously tough guy too. Does Verhoff have that level of toughness? If he does, then it sounds like the complete package, sans high iq.Pietrangelo is the definition of a #1 defenseman. Big, athletic, smart, and a guy you'll never see on the highlights (in a good way), but his impact is through the roof. Carels is a guy who reminds me of Pietrangelo, but smaller.
That earlier description doesn't describe Verhoeff at the moment, but maybe he grows into that. In the current moment he's molding into Ed Jovanovski, a guy who is a #1 in every metric, but is willing to make the high risk play, in which he will succeed and he will be praised, but if he doesn't he will be scrutinized and called "Special Keaton".
Lots of narrative is chasing Verhoeff right now (stagnated, still low mobility, IQ questions), but I hadn't seen any shift by shifts since earlier this year, and this is the last game of his from @Prospect Shifts (Frozen Four semi).
Overall, I thought his mobility was better than earlier in the year - better pivots, a few 10-and-2's / mohawks to increase lateral mobility. Overall looked solid. Lost 2-0 but was a +0 and his shot was a weapon on the power play. Still not screaming offensive talent, but generally solid positioning. I didn't see any decision-making issues, a few poor or mid transition passes in execution not choice.
Would the Sharks consider him alongside Reid, Carels, Smits at 2? Possibly. I'm not sure I fully buy the "he stagnated this year", and he's still young for the class. But he's also not a clear 1OA or top 3 (obviously).
- First shift, trying really hard to throw the body and play physical to OK effect. long shift ends up in an icing by him, could likely have done a bit better.
- Second shift he and his partner get stuck with a blue line 3 on 2, Verhoeff gets a bit sucked to puck and leaves his guy open in the low slot, goalie bails him out.
- In general I think his mobility looks a lot better here than it did early season. He's able to use mohawks and pivot around his hips without looking as stiff. That was a big knock for me earlier. Still could be a bit more explosive in the first few steps.
- Used his size and reach well on a few entries to get in front of players, push them outside, poke a few pucks, and block a few shots.
- For me, his off puck positioning has been consistently solid across viewings. He's not a genius at anticipating flow of play but he is often where he should be for a sound game.
- Late in the first, got beat wide but then recovered and used his length to stick check from behind the forward at the low circle. No shot on goal.
- End of shift, pinched to control a dump in while his teammates changed, managed to control it and get it back to the far point so that MSU kept possession in zone. Could have been a pretty bad pinch, and was it on purpose? Unclear, but great outcome.
- Got hemmed in on a shift but had good anticipation to intercept a slot pass.
- Good defensive read midway thru 2nd to break up another slot pass. Didn't quite get good stick on it to get it further than the high slot.
- Flubbed a solid PP 1T chance from the Ovie spot. Redeemed himself a few seconds later with another 1T same spot that was well saved.
- Lost puck under forecheck pressure behind his net, but was in good position most of the shift prior. He recovered to win the puck on the boards and high flip it for icing. High compete.
- did a great job on the 5 on 3 to get shots on, distribute quickly to the open man, recovered a loose puck, didn't f*** it up when he lost an edge and still got the puck to a teammate. No goal, but Verhoeff did well.
- Started playing hero hockey in the 3rd around 17:00, all over the ice, but honestly didn't look too bad at it.
- Flubbed another PP 1T but hard to fault him, was a quick pass and still got it toward net, but was blocked.
- Tried a hero stretch but didn't go, another cross ice breakout pass in the feet of his teammate. Generally no flash in transition passing, nothing egregious but not a strength this game.
- Bobbled a puck on the blue line leading to a 2 on 0 with 5 to go... but where was his D partner? Terrible read by 13. Bailed out by the Wisco F bobbling the puck and a goalie save.
- By the last 5, he's truly heroing out there, looks like a C on the ice.
I think the Sharks will take him.
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No. I wouldn't give him any kind of need bump for the Sharks though, because he's not the type of defenseman I think they need.Quiet thread but he was one of the players Grier took for dinner this week, along with Reid, Carels, Stenberg and apparently two others who haven't been named yet. A reach at #2?
I think they need all type of defenders at this point! The cupboard is so bare.No. I wouldn't give him any kind of need bump for the Sharks though, because he's not the type of defenseman I think they need.
Okay, then I wouldn't give any player a need bump and just go with the most valuable player. Which it's defensible to think Verhoeff is.I think they need all type of defenders at this point! The cupboard is so bare.
Quiet thread but he was one of the players Grier took for dinner this week, along with Reid, Carels, Stenberg and apparently two others who haven't been named yet. A reach at #2?
Unlikely to be on the board at #13 but if he did somehow drop, would be pretty much the perfect partner for Schaefer.
You really think Grier has him ahead of Carels and Reid? This is also assuming they don't just go BPA, which ultimately boils down to who Toronto is taking 1st overall.
They do, but I think they're probably only gonna let them draft one at #2I think they need all type of defenders at this point! The cupboard is so bare.
I'd be all over him if I were the sharks.I think the Sharks will take him.
He also beasted the combine and specifically the left and right shuttle, which indicates he has a high ceiling on mobility if he can figure out his freakin' edges, pivots, hip flexibility, etc.I'd be all over him if I were the sharks.
His profile is ridiculously rare. He's also a summer birthday that played in the NCAA as a 17 year old.
Him and Mckenna are the only two possible franchise players in this draft
This is the part about player evaluations that are so fascinating. How people can have completely different reads on a player, and neither is inherently right or wrong.He also beasted the combine and specifically the left and right shuttle, which indicates he has a high ceiling on mobility if he can figure out his freakin' edges, pivots, hip flexibility, etc.
But his brain is the big question. He clearly has incredible physical tools. From my multiple amateur watchings I see a very meat and potatoes guy with physical tools and an elite shot. I don't know whether I see Ekblad, or someone dumber/less imposing. If they pick him, I get it and I'll be rooting him on and hoping his youth gives him that extra runway to develop the decision making.
This is the part about player evaluations that are so fascinating. How people can have completely different reads on a player, and neither is inherently right or wrong.
The part about his brain being Keaton’s biggest weakness stuck out to me. While the combine testing results are positive, skating is still without a doubt the biggest question mark on if he develops into the top pair guy he has the potential to be, or just a 2nd pair guy whose shot is a weapon on the PP.
I think he can get the blinders on occasionally and that masks itself as an IQ problem, but I don’t think it’s that. To me he’s a guy that’s been bigger and stronger than everyone his whole career and he needs to play a little different now that he’s not. I’ve seen that he’s incredibly coachable and able to pick up and implement adjustments on the fly, certainly something that takes at least a little capacity between the ears to do.
Vancouver seems set on Malhotra tbh.In my opinion he goes to Vancouver at 3