I see why a lot of people like him. He's probably the best of the 2022 defensemen right now. Pretty good in just about every area of the game, except for size, but even then he's competitive for his size, so he mitigates the size aspect at this level for now. The upside is Ryan Ellis, but there are a lot of sub 6'0 defensemen that aren't elite with their skating or their sense or their puck skills that people say will be the next Ellis, and there's only one Ryan Ellis. I think he's good, but he comes with some risk. I don't think it's a guarantee he ends up better than a 4 in the NHL.