If you don't think Celebrini's shot or skating are elite, I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah, sorry, don't see that. I think he's good with the shot and very good with the skating, but elite? I think that's too far. He looks like a player with a good floor. If he becomes an elite NHL'er, it's because he does things like Bergeron or Crosby where he's great with the details. He doesn't have truly elite offensive tools to have easy offense the way some recent 1OA's like Bedard and Hughes are able to.
Not so sure about that but then again you don't think very highly of Bedard either so......
I get that Levshunov could go higher than people think because of his physical skills and floor/ceiling projecatbiblity ect...but Celebrini has elite offensive skills.
No, don't get this twisted. I merely said I don't think Bedard is generational. I argued against someone who said it's undisputed (with no offered proof) that he's the best prospect since McDavid.
But as to Levshunov, it's simply not true that players need to be "elite" in an area to be a top 3 pick. What area is Leo Carlsson "elite" in?
We also should be clear what we mean by elite. I think Levshunov projects as a clear top pairing defenseman. He's missing nothing with the toolset. He's not like a Makar with his skating or Fox with his hockey sense or Hedman with his size, but is that what's now required to be elite? Because sure, I'll grant that. He's probably never going to be best in the NHL in any one part of the game for a defenseman, but I could definitely see how he's very good in a lot of areas and he becomes a 1D. And by that standard, there would be very few that are elite at anything.
if you see a prospect thread he creates the projection is usually far off
Examples? And remember you said usually, so you got a lot to prove there.