Speculation: Raymond Seider Contract Speculation

[JediOrderPizza]

Need at least a 7 year.

 

[FMichael]

I can't stand that idiot almost 30 years later. I don't care if D Mac and him are cool now..

All these years later...

Need at least a 7 year.

Would be nice if it were 7, or 8, but 6 is still very good.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Every time I hear this I wonder how many people have actually been cashiers and can appreciate it. I was for a few years in HS and that phrase still triggers my PTSD. Also degenerates getting mad at me, a teenager, for not selling them alcohol before noon on Sundays. Yeah, man, I want you out of this line too, but I'm not about to lose my job so you can get loaded and go put ketchup on your hot dog, or whatever other unspeakable act you're planning on.

Sign Mo please.

Remember that northeast wide blackout in 2004?

The one where some huge power plant in New York just completely failed and there was no power for a week plus like everywhere?

Meijer had backup generators and so could be open and sell stuff.

Some lady was buying 20 20-lb bags of ice, so 400 lbs of ice and screamed bloody murder about me gouging her (a 20 lb bag of ice was 3.29 before that blackout, during that blackout, and after.).

I was just like, bitch, you are buying 400 lbs of ice during a blackout. If we’re talking “not fair to the general public”, how about we start with you.

It was just so so dumb. Like yeah, a 20 year old kid just back from college for the summer to make beer money… he has chose to gouge only you

 

[SirloinUB]

Ill be thrilled with 8 years, happy with 7, accepting of 6 and disappointed with anything less than 6.

 

[jaster]

Remember that northeast wide blackout in 2004?

The one where some huge power plant in New York just completely failed and there was no power for a week plus like everywhere?

Meijer had backup generators and so could be open and sell stuff.

Some lady was buying 20 20-lb bags of ice, so 400 lbs of ice and screamed bloody murder about me gouging her (a 20 lb bag of ice was 3.29 before that blackout, during that blackout, and after.).

I was just like, bitch, you are buying 400 lbs of ice during a blackout. If we’re talking “not fair to the general public”, how about we start with you.

It was just so so dumb. Like yeah, a 20 year old kid just back from college for the summer to make beer money… he has chose to gouge only you

I remember it well, summer of 2003 actually. I was living in Ann Arbor and I can still feel how hot our apartment got haha.

Lol, yeah those kind of people, man, I will always have a soft spot in my heart for service industry workers. I remember the kinda shit we put up with back then, and I'm sure it's even worse now.

 

[MabusIncarnate]

Remember that northeast wide blackout in 2004?

The one where some huge power plant in New York just completely failed and there was no power for a week plus like everywhere?

Meijer had backup generators and so could be open and sell stuff.

Some lady was buying 20 20-lb bags of ice, so 400 lbs of ice and screamed bloody murder about me gouging her (a 20 lb bag of ice was 3.29 before that blackout, during that blackout, and after.).

I was just like, bitch, you are buying 400 lbs of ice during a blackout. If we’re talking “not fair to the general public”, how about we start with you.

It was just so so dumb. Like yeah, a 20 year old kid just back from college for the summer to make beer money… he has chose to gouge only you

This is the feel-good story we all needed today, thank you.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Honestly I think it’s fair to be a bit cautious with Seider. He is a beast but he has to take several significant steps to be worth a 9M contract, whereas Raymond if he repeats last year is essentially already worth his contract in today’s cap. I would personally be fine at 6 years around 8M. He’ll be almost 30 by the end of that and get another 6-7 year contract

 

[Euro Twins]

Honestly I think it’s fair to be a bit cautious with Seider. He is a beast but he has to take several significant steps to be worth a 9M contract, whereas Raymond if he repeats last year is essentially already worth his contract in today’s cap. I would personally be fine at 6 years around 8M. He’ll be almost 30 by the end of that and get another 6-7 year contract

I'm not entirely sure about that. He's better than nurse and that bum makes 9.25

 

[norrisnick]

Honestly I think it’s fair to be a bit cautious with Seider. He is a beast but he has to take several significant steps to be worth a 9M contract, whereas Raymond if he repeats last year is essentially already worth his contract in today’s cap. I would personally be fine at 6 years around 8M. He’ll be almost 30 by the end of that and get another 6-7 year contract

Mo doesn't have to take any steps to be worth $9M. The rest of the d-corp and coaching staff needs to take some steps. Mo very easily could have been a 60+ point defenseman (to satisfy the points or bust crowd) the last couple seasons purely with the deployment the high-end producers get. The trick here is that Mo and Claude know this. Yzerman does too.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Honestly I think it’s fair to be a bit cautious with Seider. He is a beast but he has to take several significant steps to be worth a 9M contract, whereas Raymond if he repeats last year is essentially already worth his contract in today’s cap. I would personally be fine at 6 years around 8M. He’ll be almost 30 by the end of that and get another 6-7 year contract

Seider has been good since day one. Raymond had a good rookie campaign, a mid sophomore season then he took a step last year. Seider is already a #1D and is 23yr old not sure what more you are expecting? We are giving Chiarot and Holl basically 9M and I would be thrilled if we waived both of them....

 

[RedHawkDown]

Mo doesn't have to take any steps to be worth $9M. The rest of the d-corp and coaching staff needs to take some steps. Mo very easily could have been a 60+ point defenseman (to satisfy the points or bust crowd) the last couple seasons purely with the deployment the high-end producers get. The trick here is that Mo and Claude know this. Yzerman does too.

Seider had extremely difficult usage last year, but it’s also worth noting that he was pretty bad in that usage. I’m certain Yzerman is using that argument too.

 

[SirloinUB]

Honestly I think it’s fair to be a bit cautious with Seider. He is a beast but he has to take several significant steps to be worth a 9M contract, whereas Raymond if he repeats last year is essentially already worth his contract in today’s cap. I would personally be fine at 6 years around 8M. He’ll be almost 30 by the end of that and get another 6-7 year contract

You make some good points but signing 30 year olds to 6 or 7 year contracts isn't ideal.

 

[Euro Twins]

You make some good points but signing 30 year olds to 6 or 7 year contracts isn't ideal.

A 29 year old defenseman is generally not the same as a 29 year old forward. They usually age better in the NHL than forwards

 

[Winger98]

I was a cashier at Meijer for three years and I have to admit it's the job I have enjoyed the most.

And, yeah, any deal with Seider includes some projection to it. Same with Raymond. Seider is already pretty good at the hardest part of his job, though. I don't doubt he can be a 60 point guy if we're putting him in position where that's realistic.

 

[SoupNazi]

I heard Claude Lemieux puts ketchup on his hot dog.

I heard he eats dogs.

 

[SirloinUB]

A 29 year old defenseman is generally not the same as a 29 year old forward. They usually age better in the NHL than forwards

The problem is you're signing a player in his prime while knowing they will decline (to varying extents).

 

[norrisnick]

Seider had extremely difficult usage last year, but it’s also worth noting that he was pretty bad in that usage. I’m certain Yzerman is using that argument too.

No defenseman could have thrived with his deployment.

Edit: A nice visual aide. These are all the defensemen that outscored Mo this season. Notice a trend?

 

[Winger98]

I heard he eats dogs

stay out of ohio claude!

 

[opivy]

I am seeing that we should find a way to get Mike Matheson on the team.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I remember it well, summer of 2003 actually. I was living in Ann Arbor and I can still feel how hot our apartment got haha.

Lol, yeah those kind of people, man, I will always have a soft spot in my heart for service industry workers. I remember the kinda shit we put up with back then, and I'm sure it's even worse now.

I worked at Little Caesars.

We had a generator and bottled water to make pizza's.

People still complained.

 

[Euro Twins]

The problem is you're signing a player in his prime while knowing they will decline (to varying extents).

That's never stopped any gm. Ever.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

What's the argument against giving him what he wants? Yzerman said they are not far. So just give it to him and get 8 years done. We have some bad contracts that can go down the line easier....

 

[jkutswings]

What's the argument against giving him what he wants? Yzerman said they are not far. So just give it to him and get 8 years done. We have some bad contracts that can go down the line easier....

It could be any number of things. Maybe Yzerman has an additional trade or signing lined up if he can reach a certain cap number with Mo. Maybe he's just trying to pinch every cent he can with an eye for big moves next summer. Who knows.

Raymond got a deal done. It sounds like Seider is close to doing the same. I'm not concerned.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

What's the argument against giving him what he wants? Yzerman said they are not far. So just give it to him and get 8 years done. We have some bad contracts that can go down the line easier....

What's the argument for rushing it over the finish line now that we've waited this long?

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

What's the argument for rushing it over the finish line now that we've waited this long?

The season is too close to play around anymore.