RAW/NXT/PPV Spoiler Thread 4 -- All Spoilers HERE

[LMFAO]

Dean isn't a 6'3", 265 pound Samoan football player with long black hair and related to The Rock, sadly. That's pretty much it.

Reigns is probably more like 6'2'' 230lbs

 

[Paris in Flames]

Hell. You're paying Daniel Bryan. Make him the charity guy.

 

[Kimi]

Heel doing charity stuff hasn't stopped WWE before. They literally ran an ad showcasing HHH doing anti-bullying work the day after he bullied Roman out of the title (and the same night The Rock bullied Big Show).

Stuff is as easy to change as the storylines. Kayfabe is pretty much dead anyway.

Oh you can do it yeah, but it's not ideal. Having a 'hero' character doing it is just a better way of doing it.

Still, it's something worth considering when you go to turn Reigns.

 

[Kimi]

Hell. You're paying Daniel Bryan. Make him the charity guy.

He does stuff already, but you can't have a guy who's not been on TV in forever be the face of your company.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Oh you can do it yeah, but it's not ideal. Having a 'hero' character doing it is just a better way of doing it.

Still, it's something worth considering when you go to turn Reigns.

The guy who replaces him takes over, and its not like Cena is out the door yet.

 

[Kimi]

Yeah, but they don't have him yet. They have people who could be them, but it takes a bit to build build them up to where they'd need to be. It's another short coming of their booking issues.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Yeah, but they don't have him yet. They have people who could be them, but it takes a bit to build build them up to where they'd need to be. It's another short coming of their booking issues.

I really don't see any sort of squeaky clean babyface at the top of the card (or hell in the mid card).

DB definitely was their best bet at a pure Cena replacement. Roman really isn't, not has he is currently built at least. He is currently a neutered PG Stone Cold. Dean is more attitude era face then Hogan era face like Cena is as well. Keep going down the list and you don't have this "superhero" almost 80s face. There is no next Cena currently from what I see.

I wouldn't be shocked if Bayley becomes a top face for the companies charity work in a few years. She might be the best young super babyface male or female they currently have.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

And as much as people complain about this, they'd be idiots not to try and push Reigns when you're looking for a new guy. He really is the ideal guy for the WWE. He just isn't good enough, and it's a shame. It really is. He's a great guy, no one ever has a bad thing to say about him, so it sucks even more when he hasn't made it.

The push should have ended a long time ago, but you can't put any blame on them for trying in the first place.

If you're looking for a new guy for the future, you take the steps needed to ensure that future. You don't just vault the guy into the spot and hope for the best because he has marketable looks. Roman should have never been pushed that high that quickly based on his experience and the fact that as an individual he was not over to that level. He had about two months of main roster singles experience before he got hurt for three months and then between that December and Wrestlemania, he was somehow ready for that spot? No way anyone can reasonably say so and it hurt him big time. It still does because they still haven't really reversed course to do anything that would really get him over.

Management really screwed him over putting him in that spot that quickly with such limited singles experience and the lack of the requisite over status. But they're so fixated on it that they will keep ramming their head against that wall until something breaks.

 

[ColePens]

I really don't see any sort of squeaky clean babyface at the top of the card (or hell in the mid card).

DB definitely was their best bet at a pure Cena replacement. Roman really isn't, not has he is currently built at least. He is currently a neutered PG Stone Cold. Dean is more attitude era face then Hogan era face like Cena is as well. Keep going down the list and you don't have this "superhero" almost 80s face. There is no next Cena currently from what I see.

I wouldn't be shocked if Bayley becomes a top face for the companies charity work in a few years. She might be the best young super babyface male or female they currently have.

Why do they need the next Cena? Wrestling evolves. It went from Hogan to Bret Hart/HBK... the 3 guys couldn't be any more different. Then we had the era of Rock and Austin. THOSE guys are all different and defined the era. They weren't hand picked guys forced down people's throats. And while Cena (similar to Hogan) overstayed his welcome at the top w/o making new stars... he was still a mega star before being hand picked to be the guy. It's not like they kept finding the next Hulk Hogan. That would have been dumb.

Roman was literally just hand picked. Period. The chance to turn him heel at SS would have been huge and I think would have also made Dean a bigger star, too. People would have really gotten behind Dean and Reigns had a chance to be mega charismatic/cocky with The Authority.

Nonetheless - stop finding replacements. Let the next big star stand up. Whether he's 7 feet tall or barely cracking 6... it's gotta be natural.

 

[RockLobster]

Nonetheless - stop finding replacements. Let the next big star stand up. Whether he's 7 feet tall or barely cracking 6... it's gotta be natural.

They literally have that guy (and have had him for over two years)...they just won't clear him.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

It's funny these last two posts were made because I was listening to an Observer radio episode from December or November with Meltzer and Alvarez where they compared the stars of the UFC to the stars of WWE.

Pretty much, in WWE, there's an idea of what a star needs to look like and WWE has lost the ability to be quick on the ball at identifying who CAN be a star (they almost fired Cena in 2002). Even when the iron is hot, they're hesitant if it's not a guy who fits their idea of what a star should be (Bryan is the perfect example).

Whereas in UFC, their stars have all been different. Lesnar was different from Liddell. GSP different from Lesnar. Rousey different from GSP. McGregor different from Rousey. Simple as that. There is no idea of what makes a star in the UFC, and they're also good at identifying who CAN be a star before the time comes.

 

[GKJ]

It's not like Danielson is being whitewashed by WWE. When you see the opening signature for WWE shows and Raw and what not, he's still on there.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

It's not like Danielson is being whitewashed by WWE. When you see the opening signature for WWE shows and Raw and what not, he's still on there.

That's not the point. The point is that WWE's idea of what a star should look like has held them back from making new stars and having fans revolt against the guys they handpick to be in the spot (Ryback, Roman Reigns). They didn't get all the mileage they could have out of Punk and Bryan, for example, in terms of making them BIG STARS with WWE backing them a bit, because of their size and look.

And then in the UFC, they see the talents that could be big money makers and get behind them and support them instead. They have the foresight to see who can be a star early on.

That was the point of Meltzer's and Alvarez's discussion on that topic about a month or two ago.

 

[GKJ]

Well yeah, I get all that. I think it was said here (or by them and repeated here) that if Ronda Rousey showed up in Vince's office tomorrow, she'd be told she had to lose 30 pounds before she's even in the room with a camera.

 

[Emperoreddy]

DB was in the process of burial on the road to WM 30. He even admitted if it wasn't for Punk leaving/getting fired that he was most likely 5th or 6th on the card doing nothing of importance at Mania.

The one two punch of Punk leaving and fans hijacking shows with really negative reactions forced Vince's hand.

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

I'd take this one with a grain of salt, but rumor has it from the Inquistr that the Brock-Dean confrontation from last night is planting the seeds for a Wrestlemania program...pls WWE

 

[Emperoreddy]

I'd take this one with a grain of salt, but rumor has it from the Inquistr that the Brock-Dean confrontation from last night is planting the seeds for a Wrestlemania program...pls WWE

Ya I doubt it as it only works IMO for the title. IC title is below Brock. Since there isn't a clean way to get the belt off HHH and on Brock before WM and then make Dean number 1 contender I don't see it happening.

I mean I GUESS they could just do an IC title match, but to me that is just silly.

That said Dean has been on fire with how he has approached Brock, and anyone with a brain should see there is money in this match. I would be very game for Dean to beat HHH at Mania and start a program for Battleground and SummerSlam of Dean/Brock. Brock beats the piss out of Dean at Battleground, rematch at SummerSlam (maybe add a gimmick) and Dean wins it back.

Then you can get the Seth/Roman match that has been teased for two years out of the way in the undercard.

 

[Kimi]

The problem I have with that is it would mean Lesnar gets beaten by Ambrose. Ambrose as the conquerer of the beast who broke the streak work for me. It makes far more sense for that person to be a heel so that you can make a bigger face later.

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

As great of a match as it would be, there's no good outcome. Dean probably shouldn't be the one to finally pin Brock, but that means he is getting buried just as he's getting hot again like the Rollins program last summer.

Honestly Vince should've probably saved Taker-Lesnar III for Mania, I know it wasn't a popular option but at least it would keep Brock from having to go over a young talent like Ambrose or Wyatt and give Taker something to do.

 

[Emperoreddy]

As great of a match as it would be, there's no good outcome. Dean probably shouldn't be the one to finally pin Brock, but that means he is getting buried just as he's getting hot again like the Rollins program last summer.

Honestly Vince should've probably saved Taker-Lesnar III for Mania, I know it wasn't a popular option but at least it would keep Brock from having to go over a young talent like Ambrose or Wyatt and give Taker something to do.

That was a clear panic move, and a mistake especially because it seemed the point was to free Brock to main event and give the big rub at Mania.

They aren't using him for that so what was the point?

 

[Kimi]

The problem with saving Undertaker vs Lesnar for 'Mania, is that they already had the Undertaker vs Cena match planned. Which serves the same purpose, keeps Cena away from everyone else (just like the US title did).

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Rumoured Wrestlemania matches:

- Reigns vs. HHH
- Lesnar vs. Wyatt
- Taker vs. Strowman
- Charlotte vs. Becky vs. Sasha

 

[Emperoreddy]

Rumoured Wrestlemania matches:

- Reigns vs. HHH
- Lesnar vs. Wyatt
- Taker vs. Strowman
- Charlotte vs. Becky vs. Sasha

Only care about the ladies. What a **** card, and good lord does it look even worse when Takeover's card is put next to it.

Hell Takeover has the better Women's match too because they are going to book it better most likely.

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

What a god awful card.

At least HHH doesn't move like a crippled turtle in the ring and is so stupid he finds a way to get stiff clotheslines and knees from lesnar.

and yet...strowman is still getting a spot with taker. Unreal.

I'm not a big fan of lesnar vs wyatt at all but at least it won't be god awful like the above.

 

[KesselBuiltMyHotrod]

- Taker vs. Strowman

There is absolutely no way this happens.