WWE: Raw and Smackdown Part 5 the Paul Levesque Era

The favor was always gonna be this. It’s not surprising at all. It should make for some good theater during the match.

Rollins probably deserves this win, while Heyman is stuck between his alliances with Punk and Roman
 
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those matches were child’s play compared to some of the matches he had even earlier in his career, neck surgery was an inevitability for him

He’s sneakily one of the best to ever do it imo…seems like a great guy too
Sneaky great worker. Sneaky great guy too
 
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those matches were child’s play compared to some of the matches he had even earlier in his career, neck surgery was an inevitability for him

He’s sneakily one of the best to ever do it imo…seems like a great guy too
Sounds like the Royal Rumble match did him in



That was a brutal match where it ended with him taking a bump all mangled up in a ladder afterward.
 
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I think the WM match is easily setting up for a Heyman betrayal, but who he betrays remains to be seen. Either he betrays Roman and aligns with Punk moving forward, or he betrays Punk and continues as the Wise Man for Roman.

Either way, I think this ends with a Rollins victory lol.
 
She looked absolutely rattled by the heavy boos.
She can wrestle, but she sucks at everything else. Promos, character work, working the crowd. If she was not Ric Flair's daughter, she would never have been hired.

Not that she is not talented enough athletically, she just has nothing else and she looks... meh. Unfortunately, that played a factor a lot when she got in.
 
I think the WM match is easily setting up for a Heyman betrayal, but who he betrays remains to be seen. Either he betrays Roman and aligns with Punk moving forward, or he betrays Punk and continues as the Wise Man for Roman.

Either way, I think this ends with a Rollins victory lol.
I think it's setting up for Punk's dream night to turn into his worst nightmare.

-Heyman f***s him over (which is what eventually happened way back when)
-Seth pins Rollins

Punk's new story is he has to try and get back to that spot and win, I would imagine that culminates next year with Punk beating Roman for the title.
 
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Watching it back, and I don't buy that the segment went massively off script.

Tiff's delivery was too rehearsed, she had everything including the 0-3 prepped up long before she went out there, nothing was off the cuff and I have a really hard time believing she didnt run any of that past Charlotte, f*** it probably was Charlotte's idea as she has a history of oking her opponents bringing weird real world shit into her feuds for worked shoot moments.

What turned the segment upside down is Charlotte just being an awful promo and once again being utterly incapable of handling crowd heat.

The crowd rattled her bad, she didnt know what to do, and gave up trying mid promo. The Kaiser line was probably off the cuff because she knew she was drowning and needed the last word

When she turned to the booing crowd and yelled "what do you want me to say?" You can tell she was basically done with the segment.
 
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Hard to say it if was a work. Tiffany's line looked rehearsed which you could look at one of two ways; Either this was all planned or she was expecting f***ery going in (not a stretch since it feels like Charlotte has pulled this type of shit before) and had that loaded in the chamber just in case. Another thing that really stood out that indicates somebody went off the cuff is how easily Charlotte folded. She was obviously supposed to let Tiffany have the last word on script but for some reason couldn't let it go.

Multiple sources have said the segment went off the rails but they also could just as easily be worked.

The thing for me is; Didn't Charlotte just do an interview earlier this week about how broken she is mentally? Talking about having three divorces by age 40 making her feel like a failure, etc, etc. Timing of that and this segment makes you wonder if this is just a fairly well done worked shoot.
 
Hard to say it if was a work. Tiffany's line looked rehearsed which you could look at one of two ways; Either this was all planned or she was expecting f***ery going in (not a stretch since it feels like Charlotte has pulled this type of shit before) and had that loaded in the chamber just in case. Another thing that really stood out that indicates somebody went off the cuff is how easily Charlotte folded. She was obviously supposed to let Tiffany have the last word on script but for some reason couldn't let it go.

Multiple sources have said the segment went off the rails but they also could just as easily be worked.

The thing for me is; Didn't Charlotte just do an interview earlier this week about how broken she is mentally? Talking about having three divorces by age 40 making her feel like a failure, etc, etc. Timing of that and this segment makes you wonder if this is just a fairly well done worked shoot.

She did, 48 hours before, which also makes me believe the 0-3 line was 100% planned and cleared between the two beforehand.

I think it was just Charlotte giving up on the segment because she got rattled by the crowd. Its insane she is this late into her career and is incapable of handling crowd heat.

The "this is power" line, which Tiff dunked on immediately, nepo-queen, her just giving up and asking what the crowd wants her to say. She was a disaster
 
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I love that HHH signed the Lucha Brothers, debut them at different times and on different shows. Let the WWE universe get to know both guys before they cross paths in the WWE. Both guys clearly have earned seperate solo runs.

But if and/or when they become tag team again, plenty of dream matches: The Usos, The Tongans (Guerillas of Destiny), MCMG, DIY, Viking Raiders, etc.
 
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It's Meltzer so...

Meltzer notes that the problems were early, and that it wasn’t the line referencing Charlotte’s divorces that caused them, as that would have led to more heating falling on Tiffany rather than Charlotte.

Meltzer also notes that everyone seems to have been told that it was a segment that fell apart, though one person did note that during WrestleMania season you can’t say 100 percent either way, as you are taught to believe nothing on television is real.

Someone close to Stratton noted that Charlotte was the one who went off script first, and that Tiffany’s lines, from her standpoint, were retaliation, with her rolling out of the ring being done to avoid it getting worse and as a defence mechanism.

This would be consistent with Charlotte having more heat on her than Tiffany according to someone very close to the situation, who provided no additional details past that, and that there was heat on both, with neither being the ‘good guy’.

The YouTube version of the segment has seen a number of the personal insults edited out, as well as the Twitter video featuring Tiffany’s line about Charlotte being 0-3, and Charlotte’s line about Kaiser, being deleted.

Those lines removed kind off hints at them not being in the plans.
 

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