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Horrible over payment.

I'm still high on Lily, his main issue are all coachable. It's not a mindset or attitude problem, he has the athleticism and compete. His biggest flaws are his size (weight) which he can get up a little and then just defensive awareness, which with proper coaching can be rounded out.

He's still relatively young, right shot D. I'd like to keep him, I think he can be a great #4D in a couple years.
 
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conFABulator said:
I don't mind giving up Lily and Robertson or even the 1st. It's just the giving all of that up for a guy with question marks, such as:

Why is he being made available by Vancouver?

How much to resign him? AAV and term?

Why did Detroit give up on him last year

What about the poor attitude scuttlebutt?

I ampl particularly interested in your thought on what contract is required to lock him up.
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Obviously would be all speculation on my end but rumours are he’s isn’t being flexible in his negotiations with Vancouver. He wants 8+ and Vancouver isn’t willing to do that.

I don’t know all the detail about his contract demands, but I assumed that we could get the AAV down but paying a big portion of it upfront.

As for the Detroit thing, he was playing really well there right before he left. They thought it was a flash in the pan and he’d progress and Vancouver thought he was breaking out. Turns out VAN was right.

I haven’t heard anything about his attitude. Not to say those issues may not exist, just that I don’t know about them.

AvroArrow said:
Horrible over payment.

I'm still high on Lily, his main issue are all coachable. It's not a mindset or attitude problem, he has the athleticism and compete. His biggest flaws are his size (weight) which he can get up a little and then just defensive awareness, which with proper coaching can be rounded out.

He's still relatively young, right shot D. I'd like to keep him, I think he can be a great #4D in a couple years.
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I was a big Lily fan when he first came into the league and after his rookie season. Thought we finally found that RD.

Then he kind of just stayed like that. He hasn’t grown as I thought he would. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a 25 year old dman to put it all together. It would be an anomaly if he did.
 
EK392000 said:
Obviously would be all speculation on my end but rumours are he’s isn’t being flexible in his negotiations with Vancouver. He wants 8+ and Vancouver isn’t willing to do that.

I don’t know all the detail about his contract demands, but I assumed that we could get the AAV down but paying a big portion of it upfront.

As for the Detroit thing, he was playing really well there right before he left. They thought it was a flash in the pan and he’d progress and Vancouver thought he was breaking out. Turns out VAN was right.

I haven’t heard anything about his attitude. Not to say those issues may not exist, just that I don’t know about them.


I was a big Lily fan when he first came into the league and after his rookie season. Thought we finally found that RD.

Then he kind of just stayed like that. He hasn’t grown as I thought he would. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a 25 year old dman to put it all together. It would be an anomaly if he did.
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I thought Tenders and D take until 24-27 quite often to become good. Why give up on him right now?

PS the trade stinks
 
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EK392000 said:
Obviously would be all speculation on my end but rumours are he’s isn’t being flexible in his negotiations with Vancouver. He wants 8+ and Vancouver isn’t willing to do that.

I don’t know all the detail about his contract demands, but I assumed that we could get the AAV down but paying a big portion of it upfront.

As for the Detroit thing, he was playing really well there right before he left. They thought it was a flash in the pan and he’d progress and Vancouver thought he was breaking out. Turns out VAN was right.

I haven’t heard anything about his attitude. Not to say those issues may not exist, just that I don’t know about them.
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Thanks for the reply. I have not heard anything about an attitude issue other than on this thread.

$8M on a long term deal is way too much and I don't think we can assume we can get him for less than Vancouver, even with a heavily up front structure.

I wouldn't trade three valuable chips to get a dman we have to overpay. Give me Brady Skjei for 7 years and less money please.
 
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Don't we have a trade thread for this type of stuff? Should everyone in that thread just make a brand new thread every time they have a trade proposal?
 
AvroArrow said:
Horrible over payment.

I'm still high on Lily, his main issue are all coachable. It's not a mindset or attitude problem, he has the athleticism and compete. His biggest flaws are his size (weight) which he can get up a little and then just defensive awareness, which with proper coaching can be rounded out.

He's still relatively young, right shot D. I'd like to keep him, I think he can be a great #4D in a couple years.
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He will not be a #4D.... ever. He's been on the decline every year since we started playing him... He was over hyped because he was a RHD and we lacked that and lacked those type of prospects, so in typical Leaf fan fashion people over hyped his worth and value.
 
NJG said:
He will not be a #4D.... ever. He's been on the decline every year since we started playing him... He was over hyped because he was a RHD and we lacked that and lacked those type of prospects, so in typical Leaf fan fashion people over hyped his worth and value.
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His issues are legitimately all coachable. It's not a work ethic, poor IQ thing like with some players. He's also finally getting some usage and experience. He's only 25 and can move the puck.

Get his weight up

Get more experience
 
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Leafshater67 said:
The leafs do not need another soft player who disappears in the playoffs and expects a massive contract.
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Hronek had shoulder injury and if given 2nd line responsibilities would be upgrade over what we have now. Liljegren in my opinion though probably should not be traded. Seems like be waste to trade him because he's getting better. Rather sign Liljegren and Robertson and keep 1st round pick. Leafs are going to be tight on cap so Hronek probably would not fit unless they trade Marner and save few millions in process.
 
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I like the idea of pairing Robertson and Lilly in a trade. Don't hate this trade. Hoping we can do better.
 
NJG said:
He will not be a #4D.... ever. He's been on the decline every year since we started playing him... He was over hyped because he was a RHD and we lacked that and lacked those type of prospects, so in typical Leaf fan fashion people over hyped his worth and value.
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What are you talking about hes improved every year the last year is the only year you can argue he didn't but if you watched the games you know he has I'm not worried about him at all he might take a bit to grasp the task but he does grasp it
 
We don't have the prospect depth, the cap space or the Cup-ready core needed to justify moving that 1st unless it's a total can't miss steal kind of trade.

We just can't move the 1st.
 
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That's just (much?) more than I'd be willing to give up for a player that's close to free agency and won't be easy to re-sign.
 
EK392000 said:
To VAN:
2024 First Round Pick
Timothy Liljegren
Nick Robertson

To TOR:
Filip Hronek

Rationale for VAN:
They likely try to re-sign him but will tap out at his current ask. They put him in a position to increase his value and get a package that is worth more than what they paid for him. Robertson hurts to lose because I see a future 20 goal scorer but the loss will hurt less when we give McMann a full season and have Cowan waiting in the wings. Lilly has not progressed enough to command a top 4 role so I think it is time to move on from him.

Rationale for TOR:
We've longed for that RHD for forever so let's acquire one now. Hronek has a good shot from the point, which we lack, and can facilitate the offence in transition. He is still pretty young for dman. The Leafs can offer a hefty signing bonus to get the AAV down a bit. He became a legitimate #2/#3 in Vancouver.

What say you? Is that enough for Hronek? Too much?

Welcome your views.
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zero out of ten
Vancouver is dealing him because he's too expensive for them, and you pick the Leafs of all teams to take on another high cap hit?
Then trading away the Leafs cheaper cost controlled players (which they need more than Vancouver), and a 1st.

get Rielly to waive, then make it
Rielly for Hronek
and perhaps you can have both sides listen, as Rielly is from Vancouver (though his father was a Leafs fan).
 
PROUD PAPA said:
I hope we steer clear of a lengthy commitment to Pesce as well. He's on the downside and I don't think we should be the team to compensate him financially for the sweet deal Carolina enjoyed.

As for the Hronek proposal a 3/10 sounds about right but without knowing what his expected cap hit will be it could look better.
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Hronek will be too expensive to resign. Not much physical game and 5g isn't the cannon from the point people have been buying for. He obviously seems like a guy they would want to keep if they had him but other than right side he doesn't exactly check the right boxes. I like him but Rielly isn't Hughes so I wouldn't assume the same success. They need cost controlled talent. If there were no other RD available maybe the Leafs have to do it but there is,

The UFAs are older but there are a bunch that would likely sign for well under what Hronek will cost. Agree Pesce is likely to be overpaid and there are enough other options they don't need to be in on that.
 
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arso40 said:
What are you talking about hes improved every year the last year is the only year you can argue he didn't but if you watched the games you know he has I'm not worried about him at all he might take a bit to grasp the task but he does grasp it
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Improved how exactly? He's not gifted offensively, can't run a powerplay, doesn't have a bomb from the point. We won't even get into defensively because that's his major flaws. So what exactly has he improved on according to you? his +/-? in the regular season? Because that's the only thing that's changed...
 
AvroArrow said:
His issues are legitimately all coachable. It's not a work ethic, poor IQ thing like with some players. He's also finally getting some usage and experience. He's only 25 and can move the puck.

Get his weight up

Get more experience
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Yeah the it's the coach and not the player excuse... He's not good defensively and it's not the coach's fault. He does have poor IQ, He makes stupid plays all the time and get's out worked all the time. Can't contribute offensively, can't run a power-play, doesn't have a bomb from the point, can't play defense, can't out body or out muscle anyone unless their legit a midget, can't clear the front of the net, makes mistakes all the time.

But yes all that is the coach's fault...
 
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