cry me a riverGotta love the box score watching “ainec’sers”
cry me a riverGotta love the box score watching “ainec’sers”
cry me a river
Well RD is two years younger than EP so not really a fair comparison.
I haven't seen enough of Dahlin yet to really judge him, but I would keep EP on the Canucks for now. He's been so impressive that even if Dahlin becomes a Lidstrom level defenseman, I can see a scenario where Pettersson is still better, since I believe elite centers are more valuable than elite defensemen. He's also just so fun to watch, and I doubt Dahlin, or any defenseman really, can provide that same entertainment level as a fan
Uhhh if Dahlin becomes a Lidstrom level D man you'd be crazy not to trade EP for him. Lidstrom is up there with the greatest D men of all time. He has 4 cups, 12 time NHL all-star, and 7 Norris Trophies (tied for most all time with Doug Harvey). And you think EP will be better than that?
Just to clarify I don't think Dahlin will ever reach Lidstrom levels.
You misunderstood. The point wasn't that if he becomes a Lidstrom level defenseman I definitively take Pettersson over him still. The point was that while he may have the potential to be the best defenseman of his generation, I think Pettersson has the potential to be right there or better, so it's not a case where Dahlin's potential is too great not to take a chance on.
Lidstrom was an amazing defenseman, but his legacy is based on his tremendous consistency. He was not usually regarded as on the same level with the top couple centers in the league on a season by season basis. In suggesting that Dahlin might be Lidstrom-level, I meant more as a prime as the best defenseman in the league, not necessarily that longevity and consistency. That's where I'm suggesting Pettersson has that potential. If he becomes a top 2-3 center in the league, like a Forsberg or even a Datsyuk, both of whom he often gets compared to, there's a case to be made for taking him over the best defenseman, the same way I would have taken them over Lidstrom at their best.
I don't see much a point in continuing to debate this because I am not going to change my mind and I don't think you are either. I will just say you are vastly underrating Lidstrom if you would take Datsyuk over him just as you are vastly overrating EP if you think he will be better than a D man who has 7 Norris'. Can't have a debate with someone who thinks EP will be Crosby level or better.
"even if Dahlin becomes a Lidstrom level defenseman, I can see a scenario where Pettersson is still better"
You still seem to be applying career value to Lidstrom which I said I wasn't doing. It's his consistency and longevity that make him so high in all time lists. Datsyuk was better than Lidstrom at Datsyuk's peak, or at the very least it was a reasonable argument. Lidstrom is far ahead in his career due to the aforementioned consistency and longevity. Make those even for both and Datsyuk would have a case to be ahead for career.
I never mentioned anything about Crosby. That's you projecting based on the Lidstrom's career ranking, which, as I said, once again, I wasn't using. I also never said I think Pettersson will be better than Lidstrom, and it's amusing you would suggest that before contradicting yourself with my quote that says "can envision a scenario", which clearly suggests it's not a likelihood. And more amusing still when you bring up 7 Norris trophies, when, for the (5th?) time, I clarified my words of "Lidstrom-level" to mean more of a peak/prime than the consistency that pushes him ahead all time.
Perhaps you're too hung up on Lidstrom. You can replace him with Karlsson if you like. Or Pronger. Or any other great blueliner of that ilk. Lidstrom wasn't significantly better than either at their bests. So take away the consistency and just look at the capability. Is there an argument for taking a top 5ish center over that level of defenseman? I think so, depending on the players. For most of league history, I would take at least a couple centers over the best defenseman. And can Pettersson be at that level? I think there's about as much chance as Dahlin.
Dude I said I am not going to debate further. You've taken a position I deem unreasonable and added qualifiers to your argument after the fact to distort your original comment. Just let it go.
So you've made assumptions that were incorrect, which any further explanations are dismissed as distortion because you've made up your mind on what my original comment was about? Yea, you're right, there's no sense debating you.
Gotta love the box score watching “ainec’sers”
I love Pettersson, been staying up to watch his west coast games, but I always take the 1a defensemen.
I also think Pettersson is going to be injured a lot in his career. He has no fear and for someone as slight as he is, that is not necessarily a good thing.
Dahlin is a beast will be a 1d. Still not on the same level as EPWatch the games.
I’ve seen every Petterson and dahlin game this season.
Being a sabres fan in BC has its perks this year.
Dahlin is a beast will be a 1d. Still not on the same level as EP
I've never heard someone describe Pettersson as a Box Score type of player before.
Every analyst I have heard describe him has said he is dominating on a crappy team
Ray Ferraro, McKenzie, Dreger etc etc etc have all said he is must watch because he is simply FUN, and it has nothing to do with his gaudy point totals.
No it wouldn't. Start a new poll and Dahlin wins 80/20.I feel like this is a good time for a bump, this would still be a tough question to answer.
It's a coin flip based on positional preference. Neither are top 5 at their position but both will be there within a year or two.No it wouldn't. Start a new poll and Dahlin wins 80/20.
EP is arguably top 5 at his position right now.It's a coin flip based on positional preference. Neither are top 5 at their position but both will be there within a year or two.