Speculation: Rasmus Andersson on the block?

[Go Wings]

One ASP could be a bust, and two you can trade from strength.

1. ASP is one of the best defense prospects not in the NHL so being a bust is very unlikely.

2. We would be giving up assets for a guy with only 1 year left on his contract.

3. We have a giant hole at LD with no legit prospect on the horizon to fill it.

No it doesn't make much sense to acquire him.

 

[Benstheman]

If he wants 8X8 M$ for his next contract, which would bring him to 38 at the end of his last season, many teams won't touch this. He also had a pretty bad season last year. So considering all this, he is a risk. For that, I don't think they will get a major roster piece coming the other way.

If they are looking for futures, they will get a pretty good haul though. Like A prospect + 1st + young secondary roster player.

 

[Djp]

If they are looking for futures, they will get a pretty good haul though. Like A prospect + 1st + young secondary roster player.

He is not returning thsg without an extension Which won't occur till after July 1.

 

[Benstheman]

He is not returning thsg without an extension Which won't occur till after July 1.

Oh that's for sure. Any deal for Andersson is not happening before July 1st.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I’m actually convinced he will be signing in San Jose. It’s a perfect situation for him. They have the cap space and need for him. The Sharks have all the pieces in place except for top 4 RHD. They need a leader in the room and he is that. They are on the rise and he’d help them to be a winning team in the near future. Also can’t complain about living in that climate. Personally I’d want the Flames to try and work out a move up to the 2nd pick with Andersson and our 2 firsts as well as other significant pieces. Also I predict Vladar will be signing there too.

I don’t think there’s any realistic way for 2OA to be on the table here for Calgary. Grier would want a ridiculous price for it and I don’t think even Andersson and the four 1st rounders in the next two drafts would be enough. It’s also hard to believe that Andersson would re-sign when he’d have a plethora of more attractive options elsewhere if he waits it out. There are always teams wanting RHD’s.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Guy was almost minus 40 on a team that almost made the playoffs lol don't know if I'd want to waste too much value on that.

Wasn't Skinner a sub .900 goaltender all season and their 1 win away from the finals?

See what happens when you only focus on 1 stat? Context matters.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Detroit mentioned above is certainly an interesting one. He certainly would look darn good with Edvinsson on a "second pairing". They've got the assets to deal for him, the cap flexibility to sign him to an extension, and there's at least a decent chance they're not on his list i'd think. Or at worst, there's the possibility of selling him on the Original 6 mystique, or just getting to go play with a bunch of other Swedes on a team that's long been known as a bit of a Swedish flavoured organization. The only real question there is...Seider isn't going anywhere, if they're dealing substantial pieces and a big contract for Andersson, where exactly is ASP going to fit in when he arrives in a bit?

This is the real problem. Our RHD behind Seider is shit right now, but there's hopefully help on the way.

An RFA would make sense, but trading big assets really doesn't. They'd be farther ahead trading big assets for a LHD to either pair with Seider or allow Edvinsson to play with Seider.

 

[JKG33]

I cant help but think theres a scenario this summer where Morgan Rielly ends up in Calgary. A Leafs' pipedream would be Rielly+ for Weegar, but I could see Andersson+ for Rielly as well.

 

[HighLifeMan]

I cant help but think theres a scenario this summer where Morgan Rielly ends up in Calgary. A Leafs' pipedream would be Rielly+ for Weegar, but I could see Andersson+ for Rielly as well.

Yeah... Calgary has zero interest in either of those trade scenarios.

 

[MNRube]

RA to Buffalo, Peterka to MIN, Rossi to CGY.

Small adds to BUF for Andersson not having term. Think he may be willing to go to BUF to form a dominant pair with Dahlin?

 

[Captain97]

Quantity over quality. Give me your most whelming offer.

Are flames looking for hockey trade or futures? Or something in the middle with almost ready pieces?

 

[blankall]

Are flames looking for hockey trade or futures? Or something in the middle with almost ready pieces?

The Flames have now built up an excess of solid depth guys. I could see them making a hockey trade for a young-ish forward, particularly a centre, but he'd have to have top line potential. There are murmurings about the Flames having interest in Rossi. So I'm assuming, if its a hockey trade, someone on that level.

There's also talk about the Flames having interest in Byram. That kind of move gives the Flames a younger player, who may fit into their window a bit better.

Otherwise I could see the Flames going for more draft picks/higher end prospects. The problem is the Flames already have a pipeline filled with prospects/picks and you can only develop so many.

It it was as simple as the Flames wanting a hockey trade for another mid-six forward, it would have been done already.

 

[EveryDay]

Lol sure, if by both clubs you mean only Montreal and not Calgary

Anderson was better then Matheson last year or even 2 years ago?

 

[SirloinUB]

If he wants 8X8 M$ for his next contract, which would bring him to 38 at the end of his last season, many teams won't touch this. He also had a pretty bad season last year. So considering all this, he is a risk. For that, I don't think they will get a major roster piece coming the other way.

If they are looking for futures, they will get a pretty good haul though. Like A prospect + 1st + young secondary roster player.

I really like RA but this is my issue. Id love to get him and offer him a 5 year contract. 8 is untenable.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Anderson was better then Matheson last year or even 2 years ago?

Yes obviously

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

From the Leafs Id offer Rielly, Danford, + two 2nds for him if the flames had any interest in Rielly at all. Otherwise we unfortunately don't have the pieces.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

From the Leafs Id offer Rielly, Danford, + two 2nds for him if the flames had any interest in Rielly at all. Otherwise we unfortunately don't have the pieces.

Flames don't have interest in Rielly. He also has a full NTC and almost certainly isn't waiving it

 

[EveryDay]

Yes obviously

Not sure it's that obvious....

They are pretty similar imo. Wheres do you see RA advantages on Matheson?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Not sure it's that obvious....

They are pretty similar imo. Wheres do you see RA advantages on Matheson?

Advantages:
- younger
- right handed
- less of a defensive liability
- better shot
- much more of a warrior
- team leadership

Matheson is a defenseman on the wrong side of 30 that almost completely relies on his skating to create offense. Once that skating falls off he will be the new John Klingberg.

At the end of the day the though it comes down to need. It's been well reported that Andersson wants to stay in Calgary, but in his season ending presser he acknowledged that it is a business and that he may have to consider other options if it comes to it. Basically what I'm saying is that Calgary would just keep the younger player in the more valuable position that they are familiar with and view as a major team leader. The whole idea that Andersson would be moved is to get younger and gear towards the future. Matheson is completely counterproductive to that.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Was he, I never noticed. If Andersson that bad defensively probably be bad trade for Montreal then. Matheson is character guy who logs a ton of minutes. Habs just looking to move him with the emergent of Hutson and Guhle, Wifi, we stacked at left D.

Andersson isn’t bad defensively, he was just utilized as a defensive minute muncher this season with a player in Bahl who played his second full season (and did pretty remarkable honestly, but who isn’t a top pair defenseman yet). He’s much more of a very good 5v5 producer who provides well above average defense for that archetype.

Here’s his usage chart, that is not at all the ideal usage for the type of defenseman he is. Pair that with a good but inexperienced partner, and a very strong 5v5 producer having the 8th worst 5v5 on-ice shooting percentage (how often his teammates finish chances) amongst all NHL defenseman, and you get the context for his season before even mentioning a broken leg.

He’s not anything like his +/- suggests, and if the flames add a strong defensive LD in free agency to help Weegar take the hard matchups so Andersson can get usage more befitting his skill set he will bounce back hard.

 

[EveryDay]

Advantages:
- younger
- right handed
- less of a defensive liability
- better shot
- much more of a warrior
- team leadership

Matheson is a defenseman on the wrong side of 30 that almost completely relies on his skating to create offense. Once that skating falls off he will be the new John Klingberg.

At the end of the day the though it comes down to need. It's been well reported that Andersson wants to stay in Calgary, but in his season ending presser he acknowledged that it is a business and that he may have to consider other options if it comes to it. Basically what I'm saying is that Calgary would just keep the younger player in the more valuable position that they are familiar with and view as a major team leader. The whole idea that Andersson would be moved is to get younger and gear towards the future. Matheson is completely counterproductive to that.

I agree with some of your takes but not sure about the claim that Andersson is better defensively, I think it's pretty close in their last season.

I understand your position about the trade since RA is 2 years younger and RD.

 

[toddkaz]

If Buffalo could get an extension in place Byram for Andersson seems like a good trade.

 

[toddkaz]

RA to Buffalo, Peterka to MIN, Rossi to CGY.

Small adds to BUF for Andersson not having term. Think he may be willing to go to BUF to form a dominant pair with Dahlin?

No chance Peterka is traded for a player without term.

 

[Volica]

Ryan Leslie, who is most closely tied to the Flames than any other reporter/media guy, believes that Rasmus will likely be dealt.
He mentioned that things could change, and that we could randomly wake up after July 1 with a new deal in place for Rasmus, but the belief here is that the Andersson camp is looking at Chychrun as the comparable, and the team is more in the Neal Pionk rate camp.

Pretty big difference with 30M on the table with a couple more years included. Likely pretty important for a guy who'll be 29 when the new ink kicks in.

My thoughts are that he's an excellent player. Tremendous player who also is a vocal part of the leadership team. That said, Calgary's not in a competitive window, they're not a couple pieces from being an annual contender; they're missing a bunch of important pieces. Whether they have those internally is yet to be seen, but they still have enough gaps where they won't consistently be in the playoffs for a while yet.

If there are teams out there that are willing to part with some young assets because they feel they're closer, or closer to an ultimate goal (for example, for Toronto the goal is to win the cup, for Buffalo it's to make the playoffs for the first time in a decade and a half). I've stated in the past Byram and Andersson make good trade swaps, but I have no idea if Andersson would sign in Buffalo. I think a 9x8 makes him stay there... but is the team willing to do that?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I agree with some of your takes but not sure about the claim that Andersson is better defensively, I think it's pretty close in their last season.

I understand your position about the trade since RA is 2 years younger and RD.

Andersson is not a fast skater so he often gets beat on the rush. In his own zone he is more than adequate though as he is great at getting in shooting lanes and winning puck battles. Him not relying on speed though will help him transition into still being an effective defenseman later in his career.

He also played by far the most minutes on the team vs elite competition since Weegar was on babysitting duty and Bahl got injured prior to the 4 nations. Also his GF/60 does not even remotely match his xGF/60. His PDO is also the worst on the team